Originally Posted by Inseu
^Sorry can't take you seriously if you think Gunjyou Byori is better than Kenka Joutou. Gunjyou Byori is a good song, but has this banal mainstream hard-rock sound, I usually put the song at the end of the playlist.
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Banal mainstream hard-rock sound? Gunjyou's one of the best Kyouiku tracks, bro. It rocks just as hard as anything else on the album. Kenka Joutou isn't a bad song but the English lyrics are among her weakest, I'm not too fond of the intro, and it all plays out like a very angry Dynamite. Still, I don't wanna knock you for liking it. It's just not my thing. I'm not a big fan of the latter Phase 1/early Phase 2 jazzy sound.
Originally Posted by Inseu
^Kenka Joutou is an unparalleled, quintessential jazz-rocker, and who on earth doesn't like Ringo singing in English...The lady always knows exactly what I want to hear.
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Hey, I didn't say I hate her singing in English. Can't Take My Eyes Off You, Noudouteki Sanpunkan, Mittei Monogatari, Genjitsu no Warau, Get It Up For Love, and Sweet Spot are all great. But there are also those tracks that I just can't get into. Kenka Joutou is one of them. She seems to be trying too hard.
Originally Posted by Inseu
^You picked Keshou Naoshi, a bossa nova song over the poignant Drowning Death Wish???
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Hells yeah. Keshou benefits from Adult's production tremendously! It's one of the standout tracks to me. I loves me some Shiina Ringo bassa nova. It has such a nice melody. Don't get me wrong. Jusui Negai is a fantastic song. But it takes the Dynamite Out treatment to really give it more bite. You have to see Ringo's psychotic eyes staring into your soul while the band knocks you on your ass with pure rock noise to fully appreciate it. At least I did.
Originally Posted by Inseu
^Crawl over Shuraba???
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I knew this would be an unpopular one but I had to go with biting rock over Shuraba's album version. Single version would have been a different story.
Originally Posted by Inseu
^Omatsuri Sawagi over Togatta Teguchi??? Togatta Teguchi is one of Ringo's most experimental songs, it's epic.
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I LOVE Togatta Teguchi. It's one of SG's standout songs. But Omatsuri Sawagi is a personal fave of mine.
Originally Posted by Inseu
^Bokoku Jyoushou is a throwaway track??? It rules!
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Hey. It's not a BAD song but it does feel like the precursor to tracks like Toumei Ningen, at least 3/4 of Variety, and some of Sports' lesser tracks.
Originally Posted by Inseu
^Of course it's all opinions  |
Yeah, that's one of the things I love about Ringo/Jihen so much. Everybody has different opinions on the songs. There's always someone who offers up a unique perspective.
Originally Posted by Nimh
Osiris, your argument is persuasive, but I'm not sure about the methodology.
I mean, should Tasogare Naki be counted equally against something like Crawl? I'd say give each song 1, 2, or 3 points based on quality, regardless of track order, and then rack 'em up. Tasogare's 3 points can count against Crawl's 1 point, and then it's up to Sounan to make up the 2 point differential against Toumei Ningen.
Although either way, I think SG brings up the rear.....
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Okay. You raise a good point. But even doing it that way, in my opinion, Kyouiku doesn't have any bad tracks. The closest we get are Service and Bokoku Jyoushou, neither of which are that bad at all.
Contrast that with Adult. I honestly don't even listen to a good portion of the album. Toumei Ningen especially. So naturally it can't hold a candle to the songwriting of Kyouiku. I would list Kenka Joutou, Superstar, Shuraba, Yukiguni, and Toumei Ningen all as songs I skip. That's practically half of the album.
Sanmon Gossip is a different story for me. I basically love the entire album save a few songs. I ALWAYS skip Karisome Otome and Futaribocchi Jikan. Everything else is good to great in my book. But even its highs don't quite reach Kyoiku level.
Kyouiku > SG > Adult imo