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Old 2007.04.12, 08:39 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by S_p_h_y View Post
refined
One word summary of the album.
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Old 2007.04.12, 01:13 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by S_p_h_y View Post
Ukigumo ... is more jazz and more refined
This isn't necessarily pointed at you SPHY, but this sorta residual sentiment has been lightly drizzled through the boards before.

How is Ukigumo's defiance of playing guitar effectively "refined"? Somehow superior to playing a regular old chord? I might not feel so against this idea if Uki was priven to be a more diverse guitarist, however he hasn't. Songs seem to be needed to be rearranged EXCLUSIVELY for Ukigumo. I don't know whose idea it is for Ukigumo's groan-worthy style to be constant in every song (rather than changing per the song like a certain former TJ guitarist) but whoever's idea it is needs to be fired (and I'm well aware it might be Shiina's call.)
One would think versatile guitars playing with and not against some of the songs would be more refined.

Same goes for the whole jazzy Adult songs "more refined" than Kyoiku songs. Only in terms of "how it sounds on the disc" is that true in my o.
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SR is in love for Uki
and he is using her to control TJ O_O
so Hirama needs to go and save his woman from the evil Uki
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Old 2007.04.12, 02:30 PM   #14
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Wow we really do all have different tastes! I can't decide about which I like more, Kyouiku or Adult but I definately love adult. These are the ratings I gave the songs out of 5 stars:

Kyouiku

Ringo no Uta 5
Gunjo Biyori 5
Jusui Negai 5
Sounan 5
Crawl 3
Genjitsu ni Oite 4
Genjitsu wo waru 4
Service 4
Ekimae 4
Gomatsurisawagi 4
Bokoku Joucho 5
Yume no Ato 4
Lady is a tramp 4
Kao 3
Kokoro 3
Dynamite 5

Adult

Himitsu 5
Kenka joutou 5
Keshou Naoshi 4
Superstar 4
Shuraba 4
Yukiguni 4
Kabuki 5
Blackout 5
Tasogare Naki 4
Touimei Ningen 5
Tegami 4
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Old 2007.04.12, 02:41 PM   #15
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Bokoku Joucho 5
Yume no Ato 4
Touimei Ningen 5
Maou must be spinning in his grave.

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Kokoro 3
Whaaat. Thats her best "jazzy" song
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Old 2007.04.12, 02:49 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
Maou must be spinning in his grave.


Whaaat. Thats her best "jazzy" song
Who is maou? Also, how would you rate the songs on the albums?
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Old 2007.04.12, 02:56 PM   #17
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If anyone still thinks Hirama is loud and in your face, listen to Kokoro. I'd admit Kokoro took me longer than usual to warm up to, but it's certainly, surely, definitely, unquestionably, undeniably, clearly one of TJ's best songs.

Please do give it another chance.
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Old 2007.04.12, 03:07 PM   #18
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Maou's a poster here who classically speaks against Toumei Ningen, and really enjoys Yume no Ato, just pointed out that the former was rated higher than the latter (nd through in Bokoku for good measure.)

And I'll take you up on the rating offer. (out of 5)

Kyouiku

Ringo no Uta 3.5
Gunjo Biyori 4.2
Jusui Negai 3.6 (much better live)
Sounan 4.6
Crawl 2.5
Genjitsu ni Oite (null, I refuse to rate this since its more an intro to...)
Genjitsu wo waru 4.0
Service 2.7
Ekimae 3.8 (better live)
Gomatsurisawagi 3.2
Bokoku Joucho 3.3
Yume no Ato 4.1

Lady is a tramp 1.5
Kao 3.4
Kokoro 3.7
Dynamite 3.6

Adult

Himitsu 4.5
Kenka joutou 3.5
Keshou Naoshi 2.6
Superstar 4.3
Shuraba 4.0
Yukiguni 2.8
Kabuki 3.0
Blackout 2.9
Tasogare Naki 3.8
Touimei Ningen 1.5
Tegami 4.4

Get it up for love 3.6
Rakujitsu 2.3 (much better live)

EDIT: Just for good measure, im pretty sure the average score is higher on Adult than Kyoiku which has to do with me liking Adult more than Kyoiku. My point was that if you sub out Kyoiku for Dynamite Out performances of he same songs, the album would be far superior because in most cases the songs were good, just neutered in the studio.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
Maou's a poster here who classically speaks against Toumei Ningen, and really enjoys Yume no Ato, just pointed out that the former was rated higher than the latter (nd through in Bokoku for good measure.)

And I'll take you up on the rating offer. (out of 5)

Kyouiku

Ringo no Uta 3.5
Gunjo Biyori 4.2
Jusui Negai 3.6 (much better live)
Sounan 4.6
Crawl 2.5
Genjitsu ni Oite (null, I refuse to rate this since its more an intro to...)
Genjitsu wo waru 4.0
Service 2.7
Ekimae 3.8 (better live)
Gomatsurisawagi 3.2
Bokoku Joucho 3.3
Yume no Ato 4.1

Lady is a tramp 1.5
Kao 3.4
Kokoro 3.7
Dynamite 3.6

Adult

Himitsu 4.5
Kenka joutou 3.5
Keshou Naoshi 2.6
Superstar 4.3
Shuraba 4.0
Yukiguni 3.0
Kabuki 3.1
Blackout 2.9
Tasogare Naki 3.8
Touimei Ningen 1.5
Tegami 4.4

Get it up for love 3.6
Rakujitsu 2.3 (much better live)
Definately different tastes . I would have had decimals as well but the ratings I listed were from my Zune and it does not let you give half stars etc.

As for justringo, I listened to kokoro again and I like it but I dont think its a 4, I'd give it 3 and a half stars but I can't do for reasons mentioned above. Just because I gave it a 3 doesnt mean that I dont like it, there are alot of songs that I have rated 3s but I still like them. I just do not think they are as good in comparison to the other songs.
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Old 2007.04.12, 03:55 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by HEDOfloe View Post
Who is maou? Also, how would you rate the songs on the albums?
This is shocking. How can you not know the most infamous member of the Shiina Ringo forum community? [/ego]

Anyway. I find it odd how people claim that Ukigumo is more jazzy than a certain other guitarist. What exactly is jazz about Ukigumo? His style? Nope. His tone? Hell nah. His ability to improv in every TJ/SR song? Can't be since he plays so cookie cutter. I don't want to sound like I think Ukigumo is a horrible guitarist because he's not. I just don't think he fits this band at all.

I want to do the rating thing too, but mine are out of ten:

Kyouiku

Ringo no Uta 7.5
Gunjo Biyori 8
Jusui Negai 7.5
Sounan 9.5
Crawl 3
Genjitsu ni Oite~Genjitsu wo Warau 6
Service 3
Ekimae 9
Gomatsuri Sawagi 8
Bokoku Joucho 2.5
Yume no Ato 9.9

Lady is a tramp 6
Kao 4
Kokoro 8
Dynamite 6

Adult

Himitsu 7.5
Kenka Joutou 3
Keshou Naoshi 9
Superstar 9
Shuraba 7
Yukiguni 6
Kabuki 3
Blackout 6.5
Tasogare Naki 9
Toumei Ningen 0
Tegami 9
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