Senko Shojo PV - What's its meaning?

[Lena-chan]

Kuroneko is so passionate
XD

[kuro_neko]

Originally Posted by Lena-chan

Kuroneko is so passionate
XD

there is a reason my icon says "I shall reign in blood" XDXD

I like these forums but I'm a wallflower mostly nowadays because people are so high-strung and negative, you can't say anything without having it turn into a debate, and in such a heated environment everyone overreacts, I'm guilty of it too.

[justriiingo]

Originally Posted by kuro_neko

are you aware of just how Kameda has played a part in writing for other bands?

Yes I am aware of that fact.

Kameda's a brilliant guy in many ways, but his songwriting for TJ is very predictable. Superstar, Toumei Ningen, Private Life, and Senkou Shoujou, they all sound like permutations of one another.

[kuro_neko]

Originally Posted by justriiingo

Yes I am aware of that fact.

Kameda's a brilliant guy in many ways, but his songwriting for TJ is very predictable. Superstar, Toumei Ningen, Private Life, and Senkou Shoujou, they all sound like permutations of one another.

I will give you Superstar and Shiseikatsu, but comparing Toumei Ningen and Senkou Shoujo to any of those other songs makes no sense. That is like saying Koko de Kiss Shite, Gibbs, Tsumi to Batsu, and Yami ni Furu Ame are all permutations of the same song.

Hey, did you know Tsumi to Batsu and Shuukyou have the same chord progression? Oh, and that Marunouchi Sadistic and Hatsukoi Shoujo do too? Would we dare call those permutations too?

My point is, who cares. Ringo wrote the lyrics/vocals for all the above said songs anyways and if you were to strip them of those and just listen to the music I think the songs themselves are all radically different.

[justriiingo]

Show me tabs of those 4 songs. I've noticed similarities, but I want to see how exactly alike they are.

Kokode and Gibs sound pretty damn alike to me. If I didn't know SR wrote them, I would have thought Kameda did anyway.

[Canto]

Originally Posted by kuro_neko

Hey, did you know Tsumi to Batsu and Shuukyou have the same chord progression? Oh, and that Marunouchi Sadistic and Hatsukoi Shoujo do too? Would we dare call those permutations too?

Having molodies that can be arranged into the same chord progression doesn't necessarily mean that the songwriter adopted the same progression in practice. Also, different chords produce different auras.

When you listen to these songs carefully (on the basis of some practice on musical theory, of course) you can tell that the chords progressions are different.

[kuro_neko]

so now the person that makes giant sweeping generalizations about all of Kameda's songs sounding the same wants concrete evidence? Please, why don't I pull those extra unpublished songwriter scores out from my ass and then I would be glad to show you.

and Canto, I'm not the first person to claim this. I have read several in depth discussions, argued very intelligently, by musicians who did actually analyze each song in relation to each other.

The main point is not that they have the *exact* same progression but that they are similar enough to warrant notice, certainly more-so than Toumei Ningen, Superstar, Shiseikatsu, or Senkou Shoujo have to each other. As far as I am concerned Ringo could write another 20 songs loosely based around one progression in varied states and that wouldn't stop me from adoring it if it was good enough. I mean take a look at Nickleback....bands DO do it and it sells.

Also, Ringo has never performed Shuukyou, ever. You know, just bringing that up too

[justriiingo]

Note: I'm referring to all of Kameda's songs written for TJ, not his entire body of work for the J-music industry. This is just like when I say Blackout is like a Sounan copy, hardly anyone else agrees. Kameda's personal style is very strong (this is a good thing), except I don't care for his particular flavour of music. I usually like how he writes the verses, but his choruses tend to be quite blah.

Bottomline: Given the direction that TJ is moving to, you win, I lose.

Back to PV discussion.

[HEDOfloe]

I'm counting down the days for this DVD to arrive at my door step @_@. I can't wait to rip the audio for Senkou Shoujo, as the PV rip is not very high quality.

[Canto]

Kuro_neko: Where can i see the actual debate those pros had?