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2016.01.15, 04:36 PM | #11 |
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Also genius doesn't necessarily translate to sales figures or respect garnered abroad, being a "performer" does not have more objective value to it than being a dancer, being a "genius" doesn't necessarily mean you make better music, the selection of artists is a random group of cherrypicked japanese artists that vaguely fit the opinion of the person who made the graph - it's not random, it's not based on sales, chart success, genre, critical acclaim, or anything. It's just "here's 48 bands i know". The sample size is also way too small and the "100 american music majors" thing is a flat out lie but you all already knew that. But even if we completely ignore the graph and look only at the central idea that there's a correlation between the number of people with creative control and the quality of the final project, it's still a shaky premise at best. There's plenty of artists who are at their best as part of a collaborative effort, and lots of great bands that were a strictly diplomatic/teamwork-oriented affair. I mean, I'm not personally a Beatles fan but I can't in good consciousness sweep Lennon–McCartney under the rug. Then there's the whole improvisation thing... Plus, so much goes into creating an album that the lines of what constitutes "creative control" are super blurry. Using Ringo as an example, while I don't doubt that those solo albums are "hers", and her writing is likely the strongest influence on the final product, those albums would not sound exactly the same in a world without the several dozen names in the liner notes of each album. That applies to KZK in the same way it applies to Bitches Brew, Off The Wall, Born In The USA, Sign O' The Times, Ziggy Stardust, and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. All of these albums are "solo" records, but none of them were created in the vacuum of one person. It's all informed by too much. I don't really think it bears thinking about. Sorry for the rambling reply btw, I'm drunk. I don't even like any of the singles but they're all geniuses so they get to be genius tier. I mean if X Japan and L'Arc En Ciel get to be alongside Ringo... |
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2016.01.16, 10:24 AM | #13 |
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Babymetal is ridiculed overseas? Not from what I've noticed. People love that crap.
It's hard to say Boris would fit in on a chart about Japanese music when they fit more into the ideals of Western music. They're more loved overseas and have pointed out how they never fit in musically in the Japanese world. Have no idea who Masashi Sada is, but I guess I should find out seeing as he's at the very top of "genius". |
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The conclusion that I came to is, firstly, that the existence of a correlation does not imply that the correlation is 1:1. The Lennon/McCartney duo is not a perfect fit, but they still lie much closer to the solo end of the spectrum. Had they diluted their influence, perhaps the Beatles wouldn't have garnered the respect that they did. Secondly, collaborative efforts often can be amazing, but the key to any good collaboration is that the collaborating parties must each bring something unique to the partnership. Otherwise it's just delegation. Very often this comes in the form of different individuals writing lyrics and composing music (Lennon/McCartney being a notable exception, at least early on). But I think it's important to make the distinction between true collaboration, where all parties add something that the others do not have, and committee thinking, which tends toward the repression of individuals' unique strengths.
As for Ringo - she fits the theory almost perfectly:
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Probably the closest thing |
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