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Old 2010.11.22, 10:21 AM   #91
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Well Ringo's been going about 12 years so it's quite feasible she'll tour with jihen another 8 or so years. you can slow the albums down to 1 every 2 years and pad that out with best of's EP's and so on.
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Old 2010.11.24, 04:19 AM   #92
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nah, look at YUKI, Bjork, Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Aimee Mann, Yoshiki, and others. true artists never stop creating. Its mind blowing to knowing how long YUKI has been at it.
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Let's get real. Of those artists, only Bjork has made "relevant" music in the last decade, and it was almost a decade ago.

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Old 2010.11.24, 02:14 PM   #94
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Having global musical exposure doesn't strictly make Björk the most relevant artist out of those that Kuro talked about. To me, what YUKI has done in the past decades is way more admirable than what Björk has. And don't get me wrong, I love Björk and own all of her albums, but hey, it's YUKI from JUDY AND MARY that we're talking about .
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Originally Posted by ecogazoo View Post
Let's get real. Of those artists, only Bjork has made "relevant" music in the last decade, and it was almost a decade ago.

In Modern Pop Music, Youth is critical.
Off the top of my head, in the category of 'made relevant music 10+ years into their career, in the last decade, that was something other than just good retreads of their same old sound': Jeff Tweedy, Spoon, Flaming Lips, Boris, & The Drive-by Truckers. And Dylan, of course.

But yeah, those are exceptions. I'm sure I could come up with a dozen more, but the best that almost always happens is that someone like Yo la Tengo comes out with a decent 'Yo la Tengo' album. And typically what you get is either the same old sound with diminishing returns, or attempts to strike off into new territory that don't have the same power as their earlier stuff.

There's an exception with people whose career has always been about pushing the avant garde -- like, say, the Fennesz/Sparklehorse collaboration -- but Shiina Ringo ain't that.

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Old 2010.11.25, 11:39 AM   #96
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Let's get real. Of those artists, only Bjork has made "relevant" music in the last decade, and it was almost a decade ago.

In Modern Pop Music, Youth is critical.
yeah, your a moron.

no one said shit about "relevant" or "modern pop music." I named dropped ARTISTS, aka people who continue to create and inspire. Tori Amos has a huge following of fans who discovered her music from parents/older siblings, YUKI still tops the charts, almost all UK acts nowadays are compared to Kate Bush, and Aimee Mann had her work nominated for an Oscar. How is none of that relevant? The true test is the test of time and it doesn't matter what is happening now, there will always be a Lady Gaga or a Taylor Swift, what matter is what continues to sell. I named the other artists because through 20+ years of music making, their work still manages to find a way to reach people despite almost no exposure through pop culture in the sense of things like radio play, music videos, or general hipness. How is that not cool? My point is that Ringo is an artist and will likely continue to pursue music in some fashion until the day she dies. she has never been about appeasing a mainstream audience, as none of the former mentioned artists have been, so relevancy has nothing to do with it. She could very well go under for years and make her music private, we'd never hear any of it, but she'd still create. its like a drug, true artists never stop creating.

and Bjork doesn't maintain relevancy because it has never been about her music, it has always been about her. The world doesn't know Pagan Poetry or Earth Intruders or I've Seen It All, they know the crazy Icelandish chick in a swan dress. That doesn't mean relevancy, it means notoriety.

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It's true those artists continue to reach people, but it's almost exclusively with the music they made before 30-35 years of age. Their devoted fans will continue to buy later output, but new generations will continue to discover them through their earliest output, because it is invariably the most vital. The most alive. Occasionally, such an artist will have a hit in the later stages, and some younger/newer fans will come in on that. Then they'll discover they missed the largest and most creative output already.

When someone talks about Kate Bush as an influence, they mean "Kate Bush up to "The Hounds of Love" (1985).

As for Dylan, it's different. No critic or fan can seen to pan a Dylan album. And his output is always worth hearing. But the stuff that converts people was released before 1975.
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Originally Posted by ecogazoo View Post
It's true those artists continue to reach people, but it's almost exclusively with the music they made before 30-35 years of age. Their devoted fans will continue to buy later output, but new generations will continue to discover them through their earliest output, because it is invariably the most vital. The most alive. Occasionally, such an artist will have a hit in the later stages, and some younger/newer fans will come in on that. Then they'll discover they missed the largest and most creative output already.

When someone talks about Kate Bush as an influence, they mean "Kate Bush up to "The Hounds of Love" (1985).

As for Dylan, it's different. No critic or fan can seen to pan a Dylan album. And his output is always worth hearing. But the stuff that converts people was released before 1975.
thats not true at all. Tori Amos' biggest mainstream hit came with A Sorta Fairytale, which was on her 7th studio album, and when people say that so and so was an influence on them they don't exclusively refer to one album just because you assume so. People are compared to Kate Bush because she is a cooky old bat more than anything. Besides, if your 20-30 now and making music OF COURSE your influence is going to be the older work, that is when your young and impressionable. However, in another 10-20 years that isn't to say that people can't be influenced by what isn't popular. You will get people people influenced by Lady Gaga, but you will still get the classics citied. Besides, if you hop over to toriphorums your bound to find entire threads of fans who prefer Tori's later work to her earlier work or discovered her through a different channel. Same goes for YUKI, mainly because her current work is different from her JAM stuff. It isn't inferior, its different, so you have people which prefer one over the other.

you seem to be having a one sided conversation because again, no one is talking about relevancy or criticism within the industry, we are talking about artists creating music, in this sense Ringo. Ringo won't go into retirement or stop music making because she is over the hill and no longer relevant. no one is holding anyone back except for maybe you and a narrow minded world view. with age comes a lack of concern, I mean when was the last time any of the artists aforementioned made a music video? if they wanted to be taken seriously they might have started from there.

if you knew much about tori amos you'd also know this is something that people told her in the industry as far back as 1999-2000, that she was too old. they didn't promote her work and repeatedly pressured her to give up. what did she do? she released a double ep of live music to fulfill contract and jumped labels, where she had similar pressure, finally becoming independent and STILL releasing music. it is a labor or love more than anything and despite the fact that she isn't as popular as she once was, there aren't really many artists out there who have consistently put out an album once every 2 years for the past 20+ years, on top of touring 160 days on average a year. Inevitably SOME people can see the passion and the love in that work and are attracted to it based on its own merits, not because the labels are feeding us crap. the labels are almost dead at any rate .
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