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Old 2007.04.12, 04:07 PM   #21
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Toumei Ningen 0
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Aside from the new video clips, I think this is the most "What the fuck?!" thing she has ever done in her whole musical career.
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Old 2007.04.12, 04:17 PM   #22
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Same goes for the whole jazzy Adult songs "more refined" than Kyoiku songs. Only in terms of "how it sounds on the disc" is that true in my o.
But this is a thread about the cd, right? I mean I agree that Hirama is a better guitarist compared to Ukigumo. As far as the style of the albums, Adult is the more refined and mature album though. I'm not saying it's a result of Ukigumo's playing but rather that everything in the album has a more "lounge" type of feel and everyone is playing together rather than overpowering each other. I like both albums from the band, but if I'm looking to relax or do some serious thinking I'd go for Adult. When I want to listen to something more chaotic (nothing wrong with that) I go for Kyouiku.
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Old 2007.04.12, 04:26 PM   #23
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So Adult is more refined just because it's more loungey/jazzy?
I beg to differ. Jazz ≠ being refined.
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Old 2007.04.12, 04:32 PM   #24
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I'm not saying that lounge is more refined than other styles of jazz or that jazz is about being refined. I'm saying that the album has a smoother flow as well as a mature lounge-type sound. In Kyouiku a lot of the time it feels like the instruments are overpowering each other and somewhat fighting for the spotlight where as in Adult everyone seems to be on the same playing field working together.
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
in Adult everyone seems to be on the same playing field working together.
Except for Ukigumo who sounds like he's ten miles behind the rest of the soundstage in some of the songs. Also, there's no upstaging going on in Sounan or Yume no Ato.
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In Kyouiku a lot of the time it feels like the instruments are overpowering each other and somewhat fighting for the spotlight
That would be the HZM factor

EDIT: I actually always felt this way, an agree with Jer on this. It always felt like HZM was "look at me!" ing it up on the album.
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Old 2007.04.12, 05:11 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Maou View Post
This is shocking. How can you not know the most infamous member of the Shiina Ringo forum community? [/ego]

Anyway. I find it odd how people claim that Ukigumo is more jazzy than a certain other guitarist. What exactly is jazz about Ukigumo? His style? Nope. His tone? Hell nah. His ability to improv in every TJ/SR song? Can't be since he plays so cookie cutter. I don't want to sound like I think Ukigumo is a horrible guitarist because he's not. I just don't think he fits this band at all.

I want to do the rating thing too, but mine are out of ten:

Kyouiku

Ringo no Uta 7.5
Gunjo Biyori 8
Jusui Negai 7.5
Sounan 9.5
Crawl 3
Genjitsu ni Oite~Genjitsu wo Warau 6
Service 3
Ekimae 9
Gomatsuri Sawagi 8
Bokoku Joucho 2.5
Yume no Ato 9.9

Lady is a tramp 6
Kao 4
Kokoro 8
Dynamite 6

Adult

Himitsu 7.5
Kenka Joutou 3
Keshou Naoshi 9
Superstar 9
Shuraba 7
Yukiguni 6
Kabuki 3
Blackout 6.5
Tasogare Naki 9
Toumei Ningen 0
Tegami 9
I also do not like Ukigumo so much. From the minute I saw them perform with him I thought he did not quite fit. Hirama was more exciting to watch and Ukigumo does not really do anything entertaining.

Also, 0 for toumei ningen?!?! I could understand you do not like it but I do not see how it is a 0 for you.
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Ringo no Uta 9
Gunjo Biyori 8.5
Jusui Negai 9
Sounan 9
Crawl 6
Genjitsu ni Oite + Genjitsu wo waru 9.5
Service 7
Ekimae 6
Gomatsurisawagi 7
Bokoku Joucho 7.5
Yume no Ato 9
Lady is a tramp 3
Kao 3
Kokoro 3
Dynamite 6

Adult

Himitsu 8
Kenka joutou 7
Keshou Naoshi 6.5
Superstar 4
Shuraba 8
Yukiguni 8
Kabuki 6
Blackout 8.5
Tasogare Naki 6
Touimei Ningen 7
Tegami 9


HOW can you give Toumei ningen a 0 man!!! the song was great! better than superstar!
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
That would be the HZM factor

EDIT: I actually always felt this way, an agree with Jer on this. It always felt like HZM was "look at me!" ing it up on the album.
I loved HZM on stage! The "HZM factor" is was great.

But as for "Jazz ≠ being refined", that doesnt mean that you can overlook the fact that Adult is more laid-back. I love both albums just as much but Kyouiku is definately louder and rock-ish than is Adult. I mean, maybe they intended for Adult to mean that they were trying to be more mature or refined. If you know anything behind the title then let me know but that is what I thought once I heard it. A progression from their 1st album.
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Ringo no Uta 7
Gunjo Biyori 9.5
Jusui Negai 8.5
Sounan 9
Crawl 4
Genjitsu ni Oite + Genjitsu wo waru 7
Service 5
Ekimae 7.5
Gomatsurisawagi 7
Bokoku Joucho 6
Yume no Ato 8

Lady is a tramp 6
Kao 7
Kokoro 8.5
Dynamite 6

Adult

Himitsu 7
Kenka joutou 7.5
Keshou Naoshi 6
Superstar 8
Shuraba adult ver. Unclassified:eek:
Yukiguni 8
Kabuki 6
Blackout 8.5
Tasogare Naki 7
Touimei Ningen 6
Tegami 9

Shuraba single ver. 9
Koi wa Maboroshi 6
Rakujitsu 7
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