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Old 2015.07.17, 07:30 PM   #791
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Originally Posted by deadgrandma View Post
I understand what you're saying.

But you seriously think she finds those early albums LESS embarassing than her Coke tie in?
Nah. I would be way more embarrassed with myself if I stooped that low. Songs off MM and SS are still some of her best work. Nothing to be embarrassed about, but I'm not Shiina, so I have no idea what she's thinking. Maybe she's thinking "Gotta pay for these damn kids"
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Old 2015.07.18, 04:26 AM   #792
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Originally Posted by zeroryouko View Post
Without getting into this again, sure, her remarks were disappointing, but there is ample reason not to take what she said at 100% face value.
Yeah, I suspect Ringo was Bob Dylaning it for that interview.
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Old 2015.07.18, 04:32 PM   #793
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I don't think there's anything in that interview to suggest she's embarrassed by her old output. We wouldn't have gotten Reimports if that was the case. If anything I'd see her remark as the total opposite of that. She's not the perfectionist she was in 2003. I sure as hell wouldn't be putting out KZK-tier material for the 2014 World Cup or Coca Cola ads either.
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Old 2015.07.18, 06:14 PM   #794
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I sure as hell wouldn't be putting out KZK-tier material for the 2014 World Cup or Coca Cola ads either.
That's a good point.
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Old 2015.07.18, 06:18 PM   #795
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But when you're ONLY offering stupid crap like that (and face it, it is pretty derpy), it's offputting and quite offensive as a longterm fan.

Noones expecting KZK anymore
. But we should be able to get SOMETHING less cringeworthy than what we're getting now. Is it too much to ask?

It's not like her songs she wrote for Jihen, which were OK music at the worst, it's seriously bad.

Then again, who am I to judge what sells. I'm only someone who's been following her for years. I'm not as important as her bank account.
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Old 2015.07.18, 07:52 PM   #796
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She's not *only* offering stupid crap; there's been plenty of good stuff in the past year too. And even with NMM, I think she could easily produce a live/rearranged version that would actually be good. I had the same experience with a lot of the later Jihen stuff - totally dismissed it until I heard it live. Someone further up the thread mentioned Noudouteki Sanpunkan which to me is a case in point.

Nonetheless she is unquestionably trying to be more commercial these days. Personally I don't think it's really about money per se; I think it's more about trying to maintain popularity/relevance/attention. Although I suppose money could be viewed as an expression of that.

Brilliant as KZK was, its rejection by her former fans dealt a blow from which she has never *really* recovered. That, IMO, is the real reason we'll never see another KZK.
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Old 2015.07.19, 01:43 AM   #797
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Honestly, I don't think she's being nefarious. I don't know much about her personality or what she thinks of her fans (although she almost certainly doesn't care about those of us abroad). But I feel like for all this community's attempts at rationalising her recent output (which I'm mostly with DG on, I don't fuck with it) we're all discounting the possibility that maybe she just fell off. 16 years is a long time. It's not as if she has anything to prove any more.
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Old 2015.07.20, 08:32 AM   #798
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Time to rage/vent (?)
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Originally Posted by harry4567 View Post
Time to rage/vent (?)
Care to explain what this is and why we should be raging/venting?
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That's a screencap from the NicoNico live interview with Ringo from earlier today. Specifically it's from the debut of the Nagaku Mijikai Matsuri video. It's basically her and Uki singing and dancing around a microphone the whole time.

Short clips ripped from the stream:

https://twitter.com/UKIGMOch/status/623135220816986115

https://twitter.com/UKIGMOch/status/623136188778442752

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