(2009.06.01) New Shiina Ringo song for NHK's 'Minna no Uta' - Page 3

Maou · 2009.04.15, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Scribble R

So Tamatebeko was the product of a musician who 'sold out?'

That was 2007 and for something awesome like kabuki, this is now for shitty mainstream tv. Many people saw the anniversary releases as a cash-in or borderline selling out. I didn't agree, but this is totally different from then. Also, selling out doesn't mean bad music.

Orenji · 2009.04.15, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Scribble R

I agree, totally.

So Tamatebeko was the product of a musician who 'sold out?'

That Japanese RnB artist, Asuka is who I'd call a sellout (Not that Japanese RnB artists have much 'artistic integrity' anyway, but this artist was actually talented)

Which Asuka? BTW, now that you talked about Tamatebako, I started to wonder how great it would be if the b-side was actually that awesome song

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Scribble R · 2009.04.15, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Orenji

Which Asuka?

The one who now goes by the name of ARIA

http://www.jpopmusic.com/forums/view...a57384871c1863

She was like a lesser example of Shiina Ringo. From unique, 'raw' music to generic copycat trash.

And sure, Ringo's EXPO merchandise totally pissed me off.

a_grumble_cake · 2009.04.15, 02:26 PM

I admit that when I first read the thread title I thought this was another theme song for a drama and the words "sell out" did cross my mind. I'm not saying it's not a possibility but it's too early too tell.

so_cold · 2009.04.16, 01:28 AM

I really don't think this is her selling out. The boyband thing maybe, but as a mother and musician this must be a very fulfilling project. Minna no Uta is probably a respected TV programme (I'm not 100%, could ask my girlfriend) and not commercial crap so no problem there.

In the light of what we can hear of the drama theme I'm also expecting a Boku wa Kuma rather than a Ringo no Uta but I hope she really defies conventions and properly rocks again. Old Ringo's music and persona is probably waaay more interesting for kids.

Edit: lol, I don't mean the in-nurse-costume-licking-another-woman persona, but I'm convinced my friend's 6-year-old son would seriously like the Tsumi to Batsu PV. Or maybe be freaked out by the half-car. Oh I dunno.

kuro_neko · 2009.04.16, 02:38 AM

so suddently ringo no uta is a bad song because it was produced for minna no uta? I don't think so....

the whole sell out thing is kind of funny. I mean, in my perspective, and based on the ringo quote that I have in the other thread about the new single, ringo said in an interview that at one time she knew her career as ringo would only last 3 albums, but since then because of people she has met and things in her life happening, she has more stories and more things to do, more music which isn't in the earlier three albums. I take this as meaning she has no interest in making another MM, SS, or KZK. They are there, if she wanted to continue down that road, she has those 3, so she is done. But being such a large figure, and especially after the huge success of Sakuran, I'm sure loads of people are coming knocking on her door. I don't think she is doing it for the money at all, which is what constitutes selling out to me. I think she is doing it because she honestly likes doing it, either the challenge or the fun task of working with new people and creating fun new music that perhaps she hasn't tried playing with on her own that much before.

we have a confirmed new album, and now that we have this song, it will probably serve as her second single for the album. what is funny is I saw people commenting on this in the 2ch thread for the new b-side/album and I just ignored it because I thought they were referring to something else. durrrrrr

Orenji · 2009.04.16, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by kuro_neko

so suddently ringo no uta is a bad song because it was produced for minna no uta? I don't think so...

Who said that? If you were referring to me (which I don't know xD) I just said 'Ringo no Uta' is not her best single, but it IS a great song o_O.

ShinjiPG · 2009.04.16, 05:09 AM

It comes with "La Salle de Bain" and "Ringo Catalogue", not to mention "Ringo no Uta" itself. How can it not be one of her best singles?

a_grumble_cake · 2009.04.16, 05:12 AM

according to tokyograph.com "With her own son in elementary school, Shiina said that she aimed to create a song that both parents and children could sing, like a new "do-re-mi." She also explained that she wanted a rhythm that would make people want to dance, forgetting about worries such as the ongoing global recession."

Scribble R · 2009.04.16, 05:53 AM

Ringo no Uta is my favourite SR/TJ single.

2009.04.16, 01:28 AM	#25
so_cold Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London Posts: 480	I really don't think this is her selling out. The boyband thing maybe, but as a mother and musician this must be a very fulfilling project. Minna no Uta is probably a respected TV programme (I'm not 100%, could ask my girlfriend) and not commercial crap so no problem there. In the light of what we can hear of the drama theme I'm also expecting a Boku wa Kuma rather than a Ringo no Uta but I hope she really defies conventions and properly rocks again. Old Ringo's music and persona is probably waaay more interesting for kids. Edit: lol, I don't mean the in-nurse-costume-licking-another-woman persona, but I'm convinced my friend's 6-year-old son would seriously like the Tsumi to Batsu PV. Or maybe be freaked out by the half-car. Oh I dunno. Last edited by so_cold : 2009.04.16 at 01:42 AM.

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2009.04.15, 02:26 PM	#24
a_grumble_cake Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 663	I admit that when I first read the thread title I thought this was another theme song for a drama and the words "sell out" did cross my mind. I'm not saying it's not a possibility but it's too early too tell.

2009.04.16, 02:38 AM	#26
kuro_neko Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: World's End Posts: 2,991	so suddently ringo no uta is a bad song because it was produced for minna no uta? I don't think so.... the whole sell out thing is kind of funny. I mean, in my perspective, and based on the ringo quote that I have in the other thread about the new single, ringo said in an interview that at one time she knew her career as ringo would only last 3 albums, but since then because of people she has met and things in her life happening, she has more stories and more things to do, more music which isn't in the earlier three albums. I take this as meaning she has no interest in making another MM, SS, or KZK. They are there, if she wanted to continue down that road, she has those 3, so she is done. But being such a large figure, and especially after the huge success of Sakuran, I'm sure loads of people are coming knocking on her door. I don't think she is doing it for the money at all, which is what constitutes selling out to me. I think she is doing it because she honestly likes doing it, either the challenge or the fun task of working with new people and creating fun new music that perhaps she hasn't tried playing with on her own that much before. we have a confirmed new album, and now that we have this song, it will probably serve as her second single for the album. what is funny is I saw people commenting on this in the 2ch thread for the new b-side/album and I just ignored it because I thought they were referring to something else. durrrrrr

2009.04.16, 05:09 AM	#28
ShinjiPG Retired Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,491	It comes with "La Salle de Bain" and "Ringo Catalogue", not to mention "Ringo no Uta" itself. How can it not be one of her best singles?

2009.04.16, 05:12 AM	#29
a_grumble_cake Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 663	according to tokyograph.com "With her own son in elementary school, Shiina said that she aimed to create a song that both parents and children could sing, like a new "do-re-mi." She also explained that she wanted a rhythm that would make people want to dance, forgetting about worries such as the ongoing global recession."

2009.04.16, 05:53 AM	#30
Scribble R Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,392	Ringo no Uta is my favourite SR/TJ single.