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Old 2011.05.17, 11:04 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by W3iHong View Post
I wonder just how many SR's songs are inspired by these great classical pieces lol. Well, of course, she trained as a ballet dancer when she was little. Maybe she heard many ballet pieces?
Two covers and one lullaby in Utaite Myouri, that goes without saying? And actually «Toki ga Bousou Suru» contains a few opening bars in Mozart's KV331 before the final refrain, which is also very obvious.
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Old 2011.05.17, 11:11 PM   #92
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Old 2011.05.17, 11:56 PM   #93
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Lol It might be an inspiration for Noriki =P
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Old 2011.05.18, 12:35 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by vielleicht View Post
Two covers and one lullaby in Utaite Myouri, that goes without saying? And actually «Toki ga Bousou Suru» contains a few opening bars in Mozart's KV331 before the final refrain, which is also very obvious.
I love the Mozart reference in "Toki ga Bousou Suru", song wouldn't be the same without it. "Komoriuta" (based on Chopin's op. 34 n. 2) is also probably my favourite non-original piece by her, ever.
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Old 2011.07.16, 05:06 PM   #95
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I'm not sure where to put this, so:
Pronouns are pretty damn important in Japanese. I won't go into details (use wikipedia), but generally "atashi" = very feminine, "watashi" = feminine, "boku" = masculine/neutral, "ore" = extremely masculine/very strong-willed

For Shiina, it seems a little strange that in her Muzai Moratorium/Shouso Strip days, she mostly used "atashi", even though she had this image of a "badass rocker chick".

She used "boku" from the late Shouso Strip-era, but she uses it infrequently.

She mostly uses "watashi" to refer to herself right now.

The only time she has used "ore" is in Kronekodow, because it is told from a proud black cat's perspective.

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Old 2011.07.16, 11:50 PM   #96
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^^^^ I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure she keeps to standard address structure within a song, no matter which form she chooses. When she uses "watashi" or "atashi," the you-form is "anata." And "kimi" goes with "boku." Pretty standard.
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Well, yeah.
My point is, which pronoun you use in Japanese is a part of self-identification and how you want to come across to the listener/receiver.

Like, MM-era she had an image of this really tough, non-feminine girl, but she used the very feminine "atashi", and as she got older she switched to "watashi" (which is less feminine and little more mature).

I'm curious why she uses "boku" in certain songs.
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Old 2011.07.17, 08:43 AM   #98
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I'll defer to anyone with proper Japanese skills here but I once asked someone why a female singer used "boku" when I lived over there (pretty sure it was early Utada), and was told it was just a songwriting convention.

More tenously I always associated SR's use of "atashi" to her own identification with her lyrical subject matter, precisely as an ordinary girl, just well okay not a pretty frilly dresses ordinary girl. I mean there's Memai and there's Henry Rollins.

My ex-girlfriend was a cool, sussed chick as well and she used "atashi". I think it's fairly normal for young women. I texted a friend of mine about it but she's not back to me on that yet
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Old 2011.07.17, 10:04 AM   #99
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I've heard some women use boku in an everyday way. One was a lesbian.

It's interesting because if Muzai Moratorium is supposed to be Ringo's most personal songs, the songs themselves seem to reflect an idea of self as an ordinary girl, and we all know Ringo was anything but ordinary. She even felt that way in 17.

So, then, the question is: are the subject matter of the songs what Ringo actually felt, or what she thinks she should have felt?

I think it all comes down to the distinction between the performer (Shiina Ringo) and the person (Shiina Yumiko). Or, if you want, the persona and the person.
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Old 2011.07.17, 04:52 PM   #100
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Watashi is not feminine. It is neutral and can be used by either sex.

I do agree though, she's gone from atashi to watashi. Probably when you reach a certain age, maybe after 25, you feel silly using atashi anymore.
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