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Old 2011.02.09, 11:57 AM   #171
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EMI also wants something marketable and easily digested by the general public to bring in new fans (more sales). If sales were reliant on the old, loyal fans alone there wouldnt be much profitability.

Unconventional music can backfire. It can push away current fans if the material is too out there or 'out there' in a way that doesnt rub right and worse, not attract any new fans. If its also the single, thats a horrible situation there.

Ringo's most daring album sold poorly and only had one single-worthy song. This makes the record label guys in suits with calculators frown.

For example, head-scratching songs like Tengoku e Yokoso dont bring home the dinero so well even though such a song is very artistically substantial. Some of us old fans love the song, other old fans hated it. Casual fans; indifferent and they go back to listening to AKB48 and Tohoshinki.
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Old 2011.02.09, 12:16 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by Maou View Post
Do you remember when I posted that huge positive review of the Ultra C Blu-ray/DVD? Wouldn't bet on it.
no, I don't think I even read that
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Old 2011.02.09, 01:04 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
I am a compulsive ranker, so I can't help myself but chime in on my order.

1. Superstar (DO of course)
2. Toumei Ningen (DO of course)
3. Shiseikatsu
4. Put Your Camera Down
4b. Senkou Shoujo
6. This song
7 and 8. The Adult versions of numbers 1 and 2.

Can't argue that Kameda doesn't have a particular niche, huh?
I almost totally agree with this list, except I might put this tied with "shiseikatsu". If only the melody to "sora ga natteiru" would have been a little less predictable. I like the unresolved melodic phrase at the end of the chorus though.
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Old 2011.02.09, 05:53 PM   #174
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I honestly cannot see what interests you guys about this song. It is a plain, bland, rock song with very little personality and nothing that makes me want to sing, dance, cry, relax, be happy, be sad, or listen again and again. Is this really the forum that introduced me to Janelle Monae, Kurahashi Yoeko, Kojima Mayumi, Waa Wei and a bunch of other great music?


The only word I can use to describe this song is BORING. It's not because it's poppy and I'm not letting my bias against this marketing-whore era influence me. The fact is, I was already losing interest/biased before Senkou Shoujo first came out, that song is the definition of a pop song and it's still great.

This is complete and utter "meh". I guess it could be worse, it could be another Fukushuu...

I don't feel comfortable calling her a favorite anymore even if many of my favorite songs are still old SR/TJ songs. I guess I should be happy for you that you're all into this sound. I'm going to listen to this afrobeat collection I found and completely forget about this song.
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Old 2011.02.09, 06:02 PM   #175
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the song is not boring, but you deserve love for Yoeko
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Old 2011.02.10, 02:09 AM   #176
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Originally Posted by Maou View Post
Yes, I see a difference. One features a generic pop song while the other features a generic rock song. Who would have guessed you can be generic in multiple genres?
That is my exact point. "Sora ga..." and other TJ songs (like Senkou Shoujo, which lazer85 talks about above) are disliked by some because of a certain "poppiness."

You can say that as a rock song, this song doesn't do it for you, but the grounds shouldn't be that it fails as a rock song and is actually closer to a pop song---which, I think, is another way of saying it's just fluff that makes no connection with an audience (or you the listener).

I've never considered TJ a pure rock band, or a pure jazz rock band, or a pure anything band. I see them approaching music as an adult sport of educational variety. They will not fit into any box: not the rock box, the jazz box, the Shiina Ringo box, or the EMI box. That probably dilutes their impact and/or image for some people...for others, it's always a treat to see what comes next.
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Why can't anyone see the elephant in the room?

Tokyo Jihen are now shit. I don't care if it's generic or whatever label you wanna give them, but truth be told they just don't write relevant music anymore.

They can wear all the nice clothes they want and put out a slick video or chewing gum ad, but ultimately it's about the music and that music just isn't very good now.

I watched that video twice and felt no need to watch it again! I can't even remember the song now. It didn't use to be this way.

Call me a hater if you like but deep down everyone surely knows the game is up with this group barring some kind of legendary turnaround. They just tread water and cash the cheques now.

And I don't wanna hear any of that crap about them being better than the other Japanese pop bands because mainstream Japanese music is shit also. Being top of a shitty over-commercialised heap is nothing to be proud about.

* Cue the forum zealots telling me to stop posting if I feel that way instead of facing the stark reality for themselves!
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Originally Posted by Ringo~Bingo View Post
Why can't anyone see the elephant in the room?

Tokyo Jihen are now shit. I don't care if it's generic or whatever label you wanna give them, but truth be told they just don't write relevant music anymore.


The thing is, you guys talk as if things were a fact for anyone, and this is not.. some people, like me, likes the single and Tokyo Jihen status right now... So trying to make theories and comparations is like useless. We all know who disliked the single and who won't like their next song already
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Old 2011.02.10, 03:45 AM   #179
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Originally Posted by Ringo~Bingo View Post
Call me a hater if you like but deep down everyone surely knows the game is up with this group barring some kind of legendary turnaround. They just tread water and cash the cheques now.

I should get to work over here but this made me want to respond.

It seems like you're calling Tokyo Jihen a bunch of hacks. By definition, hacks are people who don't think about the implications of what they're doing, or take responsibility for what their work means to other people.

If you really don't think Tokyo Jihen take their work seriously or care at all about how their audience responds, then yes, go right ahead and attack them on those grounds, they deserve it.

Then again, you seem to be saying that maybe they're bad in a different way: maybe they really do think about their work, and maybe they really want to reach an audience, but you don't think they are doing it to their full capacity....which is also grounds for harsh criticism.

Or, maybe you think that they ARE doing the best they can, only it's not good enough FOR YOU, or just not your thing. Again, perfectly reasonable thing to argue.

But they are different arguments, and they don't all add up. They can't be hacks, underachieving geniuses, and well-meaning mediocrities ALL AT THE SAME TIME. You can argue any one of those things, but I don't think you can argue all of them.

Well, I'm off to face my stark reality.....homework!
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Old 2011.02.10, 04:04 AM   #180
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Originally Posted by Ringo~Bingo View Post
Why can't anyone see the elephant in the room?

Tokyo Jihen are now shit. I don't care if it's generic or whatever label you wanna give them, but truth be told they just don't write relevant music anymore.

They can wear all the nice clothes they want and put out a slick video or chewing gum ad, but ultimately it's about the music and that music just isn't very good now.

I watched that video twice and felt no need to watch it again! I can't even remember the song now. It didn't use to be this way.

Call me a hater if you like but deep down everyone surely knows the game is up with this group barring some kind of legendary turnaround. They just tread water and cash the cheques now.

And I don't wanna hear any of that crap about them being better than the other Japanese pop bands because mainstream Japanese music is shit also. Being top of a shitty over-commercialised heap is nothing to be proud about.

* Cue the forum zealots telling me to stop posting if I feel that way instead of facing the stark reality for themselves!
Mmmm, what is this relevant music you speak of? How does one stay relevant - by making what people like at any one point of time? By making what everyone else is making? Idungeddit.

I actually think mainstream Japanese music, commercialised or not, has lots of good stuff. But I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that.

I don't care if it's generic or whatever label you wanna give them, but truth be told I just enjoy the shit out of most of the music they have been putting out.
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