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View Poll Results: Electric Mole or Zazen Ecstasy?
Zazen Ecstasy 21 47.73%
Electric Mole 23 52.27%
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Old 2008.09.19, 05:04 PM   #61
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Originally Posted by Jesse View Post
Now I feel disappointed that it didn't! Thanks a lot Bingo!

sorry Jesse
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Old 2008.09.19, 05:55 PM   #62
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sorry Jesse
You're forgiven!
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Old 2008.09.19, 08:17 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
I dunno, Neko has posted this idea that Zazen was Shiina saying goodbye to her Western garb and embracing traditional japanese stuff. Its true that its the first time she was more traditional visually (which I honestly think accounts for very very little.) Its not like it was a full out sayonara to her "western roots."

Yes, there was Sugoroku/EM -- but lest we forget the tour before Sugoroku in promotion of KZK. The tour that was akin to BX (tho the actual performance in BX was before this tour of which im speaking.) I think this is a very western presentation. Jihen for the most part (excepting the very recent sotc2 shows) undoubtedly western. Even if you discount Jihen, HF was a classically showtunes affair.

I just think Neko has ran with this "leaving behind of western stuff" idea a little farther than it was worth.

Bongo: You are talking of the GX DVD release. Not when the GX show was performed live tho
I'm actually paraphasing more or less the album liner notes that came in the ZX copy of RAT that was at Tower when I bought the magazine. In it there is a really long article about the show, where they describe how SS was released that march, followed by GX in the following months, then a month as Hatsuiku Status, then the Zazen show....in the last paragraph they really go into detail about the mannequin and what this show represented, mainly a move away from her earlier image and into what we saw later. I guess saying leaving "western stuff" is a little misleading, but the way it is written is very difficult to translate, they talk about her embracing "和” which literally means harmony or peace but is used in general for anything of Japanese aesthetic....so I think I may have put it a bit crudely....but it still more or less served as her first jumping off point where people realized we weren't going to get another SS.
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Old 2008.09.19, 09:13 PM   #64
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All this has me thinking, as I am going to the second of the anniversary shows, I really do NOT want to come near this board or research anything about the first show beforehand. I don't know what to expect, but I of course am hoping to be pleasantly surprised, if not blown away. I do hope she does something worthy of the venue. I took the train past it this summer, it is massive. I wouldn't mind meeting up with any members here in the afternoon, if I make it to Tokyo in time, but there would be a strict no spoilers clause!

(Although it will probably be hard not to guess if the show turned out to be a disaster....)
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Old 2008.09.20, 05:17 AM   #65
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Electric Mole for sure.

Reason?

HZM.
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Old 2008.09.20, 05:28 AM   #66
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Originally Posted by ChickShhh View Post
Reason?

HZM.
Pretty much, yeah
Altough what makes EM win, to me, is the tracklist. A Tsumi-to-Batsu-less show can't be as good as one with it!
Meh, of course it's just not that. I haven't watched Zazen yet, but I voted EM because it's really difficult to improve what was done in that show and it represents the best TJ Phase!
And because it's so damn epic and I'm listening to it all the time~
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Old 2008.09.20, 12:06 PM   #67
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I finally made my Electric Mole edit so it has no band practice or journey of the mole segments!! so I'm gonna watch it later and see if I like this as a non stop musical show as much as Zazen!
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Old 2008.09.20, 01:26 PM   #68
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Zazen DVD for sure, because of the editing and superb audio.
EM performance for sure, because of Tokyo Jihen Phase 0.

I can't vote.

Now if only they had a remastered EM which is straight out rock concert with a full version of Okonomide and Honnou...
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Old 2008.09.20, 02:06 PM   #69
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Electric Mole annoys me so so much!! they should have at least included an option to watch just the actual performances.. and Okonomide all cut up like that is silly ? all that stuff just distracts and interrupts the show! probaly why I currently favor Zazen over it.
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EM takes this for me. We have the better setlist, better band (Yayoshi vs. Hirama? Pleeeeeeaasee >_>) and some of the best performances of Ringo's solo career. That would have been one hell of a concert to see. Even watching the DVD gives me a rush. But yeah, can't really compare in my eyes.
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