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2009.06.08, 03:37 PM | #11 |
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Well, it was not just about me. Other users are unable as well, and their rep-giving/receiving history is very different from mine. And others, like Ringo~Bingo, are able to give both positive and negative rep.
If I click on the rep button on a Ringo~Bingo post, it says "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bingo again". But if I click on, for example, justriingo's rep button, it only gives me one option and that is to Approve the comment, even tho I never gave her any positive or negative rep (ever). And this applies for every other user. Orenji said he only (ever) received one negative reputation, so that makes me wonder if receiving one negative reputation is enough to not be able to give it to other people. But that wouldn't make any sense. The way I see it, the current system is so perfect or so random that I can't possibly guess how it works or it can make me feel that "some users can, and some users can't". I also feel that if I need to spread enough positive rep around before I can give negative rep again, I'll be forced to either bear with posts that get on my nerves or simply put the poster in the ignore list. And more importantly, if people don't understand how the system works, how can they understand the numbers? If I don't understand that "+" means sum, what value or significance can "1+1=2" have to me, other than formal? To me, the increasing (or decreasing) numbers known as "postcount" or "rep power" only serve the purpose of promoting differences of status and keeping a record of who is the "most reliable", for future reference. And even then, it may not work, because I can make the rep power grow super-fast (as has been proven by at least two members) and then act like a total jerk and no one will be able to neg rep me because they first need to "spread the Reputation around". PS - And hey, even now, my rep changed from 5 to 4. This is completely random, I love it <3 |
2009.06.08, 03:57 PM | #12 |
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This is probably just a recalibration of the rep system in accord to the growing forum. This wouldn't be the first time.
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2009.06.08, 04:11 PM | #13 |
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Ok, I understand that, really.
But I, for one, wasn't informed of that matter, so the numbers I see are completely random and of little value. |
2009.06.08, 05:45 PM | #14 | ||||||||
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Additional green dots are an acknowledgment of respect more than anything else, but anything contributing toward any of your green dots (primary or additional) can loosely influence your Rep Power, as well as play a role (but not the role) in unlocking additional forum features for you. Different people get the same features (like Disapprovals) auto-unlocked by the system for different/alternate criteria, as you might be able to notice from the wide variety of people asking "Woah, how the hell did this happen?" when they find themselves with more privileges than they had before. So yes, Reputation is more important than as just an e-penis, but at the same time it doesn't make or break anyone's privileges in this community. Reputation is a possible influence - it is not the influence, and neither are postcount or jointime. There is no one criteria where it's like if you don't have any of it, you won't get anywhere in this community. Similarly there is no one criteria where if that's all you have, then nothing else matters. Yes, I'm talking about Reputation, and yes, I'm also talking about postcount. You can be an old member who posts a lot, or you can be an old member with a lot of Reputation, or you could be an old member with medium amounts of both. But if all you are is an old member with no posts and no Reputation, you won't get anywhere. If all you are is a new member with lots of posts and no Reputation, you won't get anywhere. If you are a new member with postcount and Reputation, you might get somewhere. Nothing is based purely in postcount, nothing is based purely on Reputation, nothing is based purely on jointime, and nothing mandates that you have to have all three - though admittedly I don't see how you could gain any Reputation without having at least one post.
It should also be noted that "Rep Power" can never unlock anything for you. It's a reflection of other criteria you have met, and this other criteria could be simultaneously responsible for your privileges in this community at a sometimes-correlating rate. You could be gaining new privileges at the same rate you gain "Rep Power" but that is a coincidence. The system never measures your worth according to "Rep Power". Someone could actually be valuable member of the community with only 1 or 2 Rep Power, and still get additional features unlocked (like Disapprovals). Nothing can ever be based on "Rep Power" itself except the amount you shift someone else's Reputation when you do an Approval or a Disapproval. Ask any admin of any other vBulletin community.
Is that the answer you wanted? Because that's about as honest as I can be without disclosing the actual numbers.
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2009.06.08, 07:39 PM | #15 |
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I don't understand this whole reputation business at all. I seem to have lost a point recently and that really bothers me. Especially when I don't know exactly why that point's gone. The user CP only lists the positive points received.
This reputation situation has only been on one other board I've used (the first one I was ever really on too.) and it caused an awful lot of trouble there. So I just have a bad taste in my mouth about the whole business. It causes superiority complexes and a lot of worrying on the end of the poster if they get too caught up into the whole order of the board. |
2009.06.08, 07:40 PM | #16 |
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I feels a bit to be closer to this kind of man.
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2009.06.08, 08:29 PM | #18 |
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Is Emil allowed to post pics of pariscombo? =D
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I still think the system has some faults, mainly the fact that people themselves keep a personal record of what they feel about a member. You can say it's best if people only consider the post and not the poster, but that won't happen often. That said, if a person writes in a way that doesn't really hurt anyone but doesn't sound very nice, that person will never get good rep even if she provides usefull information to the community. Which means the person has to conform his speach to the elite way, otherwise there's no possible way to climb the mountain, aka raise rep power. Also, don't forget that people give more rep when they can leech something rather then when they read a good informative post. There is just no way to deny that and the only way to counter it is if the leeching posts could not be repped. That would actually improve things because people would give because they want to, rather than because they want to raise the rep. In the end, there's still a good thing about your system, and that is the fact that we can just ignore it. This whole thread just came from the fact that I wanted to neg rep a person but couldn't, so from now on I'll just forget there's even a possibility and reply with a "Thanks" in case I approve or explain why I don't approve with 3 or 4 posts. That will actually help me raise my postcount. |
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In all of these protective measures, I'm the one who 'loses' the most. How much more do you think I should lose before the system can be deemed 'fair' by your standards?
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