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2009.07.24, 07:36 AM | #41 |
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well, one thing I liked about this lady is that she can dance like that and make weird faces even though it looks unattractive, which is a big no no for any female performer. Shiina Ringo used to be like that but now she's too preoccupied with looking great in flawless makeup and designer outfits. Ryuukou PV is a direct continuation of this trend- it's declawed and doesn't have much bite, unlike the video justriiingo posted. I'm having weird images of Shiina Ringo being housebroken
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2009.07.24, 07:58 AM | #42 |
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Haha, I read about "Le Succettes" but I never looked into it, nor did I think it would be so blatant. That video is hilarious. I'm not quite sure what those costumes could be construed as other than walking penises.
I get the scandalous issue, but otherwise isn't she just a plain pop artist no different from Sylvie Vartan and Françoise Hardy? And the style of her music depends on the time her writers and producers wrote it -- trying to be innovative and in vogue at the same time. I'd think they'd sould similar only because Ringo was emulating the style. |
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I've never heard of Vartan, and I was never able to get into Hardy. I can't really compare their careers to France Gall's. However, FG's career spanned twenty years or so, and her style changed much over that time period. This is another reason I think her career is similar to SR's: the sheer amount of change in her music and image.
I don't understand what you mean by "plain pop artist". I mean, Ringo herself has always been trying to be "innovative and in vogue at the same time" as well. Sure, FG didn't write her own repertoire, but from what I've been able to gather, she selected her writers and shaped her image/style - which is an art in itself. In my opinion, stuff by FG is better than most material by performing songwriters now. And, as an added bonus, here's another controversial song by Gall. This is called "La Petite", which is a song about a young girl falling in love with a friend of her father's. The creepy part is that the guy she is singing the duet with (Maurice Biraud) actually was a friend of her father's. This song was written by Serge Gainsbourg, who also wrote "Les Sucettes". English lyrics are in the YouTube description.
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I mean no offense to France Gall -- she was the next ye-ye girl whom I wanted to buy a CD from. I think her music is some of the catchiest French 60s pop I've heard. (I couldn't get into Vartan save for 3 songs, and it took me months before I decided I liked Hardy) But you're pretty much explaining how a good pop artist works.
It's the same with one of my favorite singers, Momoe Yamaguchi. She started with bubblegum pop like Aoi Kajitsu and Hito no Natsu no Keiken released when she was 14 and 15 respectively. (Side note: With both of those songs she also created a scandal with her lyrics, with the first one (translated to as "Unripe Fruit") singing something on the lines of "I'll do anything you wish, even if they call me a bad girl" and the second one singing "I'll give you the thing most precious to a girl" etc.) She then throughout her career enlisted the top writers to develop a sound harder and more mature than most of the music at that time, such as Playback Part 2 and Rinne to name but a few. I think scandalous pop like Gall's was pretty commonplace at that time in history. In addition to Yamaguchi's risque lyrics, a 60s artist Chiyo Okumura had masochistic songs like "Koi no Dorei" in which she sings "When I'm bad, go ahead and hit me", which caused a big enough stir for Kouhaku (at it's peak at the time) forbade her to sing that song due to its topic. I even recently watched a 60s American film about a songwriter who had to keep the knowledge of her being a song lyric writer away from the heads of her college because the lyrics were so risque that she'd get expelled. Gall's ability to work with people to control her image in the limelight is certainly something to be commended. But I think it aligns her more so with her pop cohorts that I listed (plus so many more.) than with Ringo, who is basically a sponge for all different musical styles and combines them together to make something totally unique. Last edited by mizer_unmei : 2009.07.24 at 04:11 PM. |
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and emf reaches the next level of pretension: pages of French shit.
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Pour manger sans jamais rien payer Pas d’argent, pas de gens exigeant Pas de vents, pas de pluie et des nuits étoilées L’amour en veux-tu en voilà On le rencontre à chaque pas Mais comme on ne fait pas un pas On attend qu’il vienne par là, la la la Mangos, papaya Chestnuts from the fire in my house of straw I have so much more Pie from the pigeon I fix in the kitchen Each bite is just right for your appetite Now if you like the way I cook And if you like the way I look Then step inside my shady nook And you’ll find mangos and papayas anything your heart desires Mangos, papaya Chestnuts from the fire the food is so good you will wanna stay Eat up and drink up and maybe you think up The day when we say “preacher man, okay” * Après le bup slow Pour que ça reste chaud Je sais ce qu’il nous fait C’est du Jazz à Gogo Tous ceux qui l’aiment bien Et moi qui l’aime bien On va chanter ensemble Pourvu que ça balance O.K. pour la guitarre O.K. pour la batterie Et pour la contrebasse Et le piano aussi Tous ceux qui l’aiment bien Et moi qui l’aime bien On va danser ensemble Pourvu que ça balance Et dans tous les pays De New York à Paris Parlant la même langue Le jazz mène la danse |
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2009.07.24, 06:35 PM | #47 |
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@Jihad: i think shina ringo is like beyonce sum of the timez
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It's very illustrative. |
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Damn, what's wrong with the "French shit"? It's not The Beatles? Ringo doesn't resemble the 60s French pop singers as an artist to me at all, so I can't agree (even the lollipops controversy is miles away from Honnou, methinks), but that music, even sung by "idols" of the time, had tons more of soul than the lifeless recycled pop put out today.
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Honnou isn't even that controversial. Maybe in Japan...
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