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Old 2007.08.23, 12:11 PM   #11
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is a "persona channeling chameleon" just a nice way to say "big fakey"?

Just to me, anyway.
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Old 2007.08.23, 12:15 PM   #12
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And if the Beatles could do it with just about every song on the white album, why isn't she allowed?
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Old 2007.08.23, 12:17 PM   #13
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The Beatles never disowned "From Me to You"
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Old 2007.08.23, 12:21 PM   #14
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John disowned the Beatles.. does that count?
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Old 2007.08.23, 01:13 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by HEDOfloe View Post
I've heard a lot of music that I can't stand but you can always tell if it is good or not even if you don't like it.
No, I can't. Seriously, I can't imagine that anybody would like Metal or songs by Uki. I just can't. But there are people, and they like it. So either way I am right, and anybody who listens to Metal and Ukisongs is stupid, or I can't tell what's a good song without liking it.
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Old 2007.08.23, 03:55 PM   #16
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They were fake if they were not true extensions of Shiina. If they were written because "this is my ticket."

See it this way, I can write a rap song. Maybe even a really good one. Let's just say, and I played up the image. And people really liked it, they bought my blinged records, wore their do-rags like I wore em, and as is apparent on these forums, I have the street-cred.
The problem being? Thats not me. Rap can be fun and the like, but I'm not a "rap" kinda guy -- but I was "frontin" that I was. How irate would the people that saw me as the second coming of BIG be if I was just doing it cuz I could and not because it was what I really was? If I put out an acoustic rock record and played it that I was "stretching my art" and disowning my earlier rap songs -- what credibility do I have? I duped a bunch of people into thinking I was something I wasn't.

Sure, you can piddle with genres and swap them, but you don't swap your philosophy.

This is beyond "HF an Variety are (likely) shit" this is Shiina wrote rock songs cuz she could, played it up, made us believe, but wasn't truly what she was. Whether "phase 2" is 'her' any more than the early stuff was doesn't matter because she already compromised that artistic trust. Why should we think a few years from now she won't separate herself from these albums too?
The key question is, how do you know SR's true self? If you can write an awesome rap album, more power to you. "Faking" would be Britney Spears acting innocent and singing about true love and shit; If you are capable of writing your own music, regardless of style or genre, then that music IS you. You are not writing an essay about your life, you are making art, and art requires imagination and a bit of irrational thinking.
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Old 2007.08.23, 04:00 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Kasanagi View Post
The key question is, how do you know SR's true self? If you can write an awesome rap album, more power to you. "Faking" would be Britney Spears acting innocent and singing about true love and shit; If you are capable of writing your own music, regardless of style or genre, then that music IS you. You are not writing an essay about your life, you are making art, and art requires imagination and a bit of irrational thinking.
It doesn't matter what her true is, shes already put up one facade too many.
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Old 2007.08.23, 04:25 PM   #18
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...So it doesn't matter who SR is, was and ever will be, as long as you don't like her, she's faking it? (And yes, I AM twisting your words muhahahaha)
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Old 2007.08.23, 04:31 PM   #19
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I'm believing in '99 she said "this is me, this is who i am" and it wasn't. It was an act. Or if not, that was truly her and now, that she's trying to bury that past, is the act (or they're both acts, who cares.) Either way, that's no kind of person I keep in good graces.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
It doesn't matter what her true is, shes already put up one facade too many.

No expression of true self? One facade too many?

Sounds like you just came back from a business trip to Japan.

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