"Jiyuu e Michidzure" theme song to "Ataru" drama - Page 14

TeslaGuy · 2012.05.17, 02:33 AM

Turtlefu's perspective makes perfect sense to me, and I am baffled why others here seem so irritated that he has opinions on this complicated subject that differ from their own. I've researched ASD fairly deeply and have recognized a few subtle symptoms of Asperger's syndrome in myself, and can certainly understand how anyone reasonably knowledgeable about ASD could be unhappy with an inappropriately one-dimensional portrayal of someone with autism.

Glathannus · 2012.05.18, 04:03 PM

Most of the performances by Arnold Schartzeneggar are one-dimensional men-on-a-mission, barely present within any shared reality. Audiences already eat that up under labels other than autism, or no label at all. It's an alpha thing, which is why Arnold isn't the only actor who gets away with that. One-dimensional performances seem a little more viable with a label though, like "he's a machine", or "he's ex-military".

Each alpha represents an apex of what a demographic could be like. Alphas effectively serve as stereotypes, especially when you don't pair them with any counterexamples. It's not there was anything the drama could have done to depict the main character "more realistically" - it's that the drama lacked a variety of other autistic characters. Any production with only one autistic character, is going to be an automatic failure in representing autism, even if there's a real person exactly like that somewhere.

TurtleFu · 2012.05.18, 07:09 PM

@Glath
We honestly need to stop, because at this point you aren't even responding to what I am saying, you seem to be imaging another conversation entirely and I don't appreciate being made into a straw-man. This is the last I will say on the subject.

TeslaGuy · 2012.05.18, 07:41 PM

@Glathannus

Schartenegger's characters portray familiar tropes. We know how action heros behave.

There are comparitively few honest and popular works that have focused on autism. The trope/meme/presumption is still in a nascient stage, and bla bla bla.

Hopefully my last words on this subject.

frecklegirl · 2012.05.20, 01:34 PM

Song's now released, so Product Reviews redirect/closing this thread time!

2012.05.18, 04:03 PM	#132
Glathannus True Final Boss Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2,423	Most of the performances by Arnold Schartzeneggar are one-dimensional men-on-a-mission, barely present within any shared reality. Audiences already eat that up under labels other than autism, or no label at all. It's an alpha thing, which is why Arnold isn't the only actor who gets away with that. One-dimensional performances seem a little more viable with a label though, like "he's a machine", or "he's ex-military". Each alpha represents an apex of what a demographic could be like. Alphas effectively serve as stereotypes, especially when you don't pair them with any counterexamples. It's not there was anything the drama could have done to depict the main character "more realistically" - it's that the drama lacked a variety of other autistic characters. Any production with only one autistic character, is going to be an automatic failure in representing autism, even if there's a real person exactly like that somewhere. __________________ You know Tokyo Jihen is a supergroup, when you can't blame most of the members for wanting to pursue other projects.

2012.05.18, 07:41 PM	#134
TeslaGuy apathy enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,307	@Glathannus Schartenegger's characters portray familiar tropes. We know how action heros behave. There are comparitively few honest and popular works that have focused on autism. The trope/meme/presumption is still in a nascient stage, and bla bla bla. Hopefully my last words on this subject. Last edited by TeslaGuy : 2012.05.18 at 07:49 PM.

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2012.05.17, 02:33 AM	#131
TeslaGuy apathy enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,307	Turtlefu's perspective makes perfect sense to me, and I am baffled why others here seem so irritated that he has opinions on this complicated subject that differ from their own. I've researched ASD fairly deeply and have recognized a few subtle symptoms of Asperger's syndrome in myself, and can certainly understand how anyone reasonably knowledgeable about ASD could be unhappy with an inappropriately one-dimensional portrayal of someone with autism.

2012.05.18, 07:09 PM	#133
TurtleFu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,592	@Glath We honestly need to stop, because at this point you aren't even responding to what I am saying, you seem to be imaging another conversation entirely and I don't appreciate being made into a straw-man. This is the last I will say on the subject.