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View Poll Results: When you think "KSK," do you think "Ichijiku no Hana"?
Yes 8 36.36%
No 16 72.73%
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Old 2012.04.15, 03:50 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by deadgrandma View Post
I just listened to KZK mora again. Still am wtf about Soutetsu wimp ver. Did they normalize it or something? Is it the same anticlimax on the cd versions?
Well "wimpy" in this case is also "headphones-friendly," so I'll take it.

What does bother me is that Souretsu doesn't cut out at 44:44.4. Seriously?
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Old 2012.04.15, 08:30 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by The Most Curious Thing View Post
What does bother me is that Souretsu doesn't cut out at 44:44.4. Seriously?
MoRA messed with the timings all over SS and KSK, even without bonus tracks.
I don't think I could trim those remasters to be exactly as short as the original releases (track-for-track), because I would have to be cutting a little more than silence.
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Old 2012.04.15, 08:50 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by TurtleFu View Post
You know, I think we discussed the meaning of Souretsu before. I think Frecklegirl says it is either about 1) an abortion or 2) the metaphorical death and rebirth of creativity
So, the KZK album version is obviously 2). And the live version is obviously 1). They are two interpretations of a song that are so different you can't even compare them.
Frecklegirl didn't translate Souretsu (or much or anything pre-Kyouiku). Brian Stewert and Takako Sakuma did the translation so I'm not sure if the abortion thing is their interpretation or Frecklegirl's if you're referring to the note on the Nostalgic Lavender site. Regardless, Shiina's own explanation of the song is the "death and rebirth" one so I'll take her word for it. It doesn't sound like abortion anyway. It's an obvious reference to Tibetan Buddhism.
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Old 2012.04.15, 03:08 PM   #24
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Hm, I didn't know that. Sorry.

Well, I guess nevermind then. But if the song is truly about Tibetan Buddhsim, then the KZK one still makes more sense, even if Shiina originally composed it on a guitar or whatevs. The KZK version is very tantric, very dramatic, full of eastern instruments coming at clash with western instruments. I love the part when the organ cuts in.

That being said, I still can't imagine actually putting Ichijuku after Souretsu. I feel like not only doesn't it fit, but it actually takes away from Souretsu. Ichijuku softens the blow. The only people who would prefer it are those who can't handle an ending like Souretsu.
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Old 2012.04.17, 04:48 PM   #25
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Its an Ukigumo song, thats why its not on the album..isnt it? Ringo only wrote the lyrics.
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Old 2012.04.23, 07:11 AM   #26
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Souretsu lyrics is creepy.
It's like an unborn child about to be aborted calmly observes parents.

About Buddhism reference, lyrics has a term "rinne" (translated as "circle of reincarnation")
and her white costume in booklet is Buddhist pilgrim's garb.
But not necessary as 'Tibetan' one.

Buddhism was originated in India and "circle of reincarnation"
was even older thought than Buddhism there.


As for "Ichijiku no Hana", it's PV has mood of "this video was taken before her death".

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Old 2012.04.24, 12:35 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by EmilScherbe View Post
Souretsu lyrics is creepy.
It's like an unborn child about to be aborted calmly observes parents.
Ah, so thats why she used the childrens choir for that song during Domestic Line concert. That makes the performance creepier.
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Old 2012.04.25, 04:21 AM   #28
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Ringo, the most beautifully disturbing woman.
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Old 2012.04.28, 12:30 AM   #29
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props to izawa for capturing it in piano form for domestic
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Old 2012.04.28, 02:00 AM   #30
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and props to Uki to for catching it on an acoustic guitar
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