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Old 2007.04.13, 02:44 PM   #41
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Sounan 9
Blackout 8.5
I consider this blasphemy. Blackout doesn't deserve such a high rating. If you can praise Shuraba single ver and rip the album version such that you don't even consider it music anymore ChickShhh, I don't see why you gave Blackout such a high rating (good thing you didn't rate it above Sounan though), especially considering the fact that they sound almost the same in so many ways.

From what I can hear, Hata is essentially playing the same rhythm in both Sounan and in Blackout. (Any drummers want to confirm/deny this?) The same goes for Kameda, a lot of this bass parts in Blackout are an exact copy of Sounan. His part in the Blackout chorus is pretty cool stuff though. However, Kameda does get his chance to really play something really amazing towards the end of Sounan - a counterpoint of SR's guitar solo mixed with Hata's rhythmic elements; pity the bad recording glosses over it. Uki's solo on Blackout could sound acceptable if not for his tone, which makes my ears hurt (please stop your silly trills and start doing more vibratos, please). The structure/impulse/rhythm/arrangement of Blackout is just so similar to Sounan, it's almost like SR is trying to write another Sounan.

If Sounan is the Prada bag of all TJ tracks, then Blackout is just its sad made-in-China grade B fake. (No offence to people living in China.)

Now, Blackout fans, I would like to hear your defence.
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Old 2007.04.13, 03:03 PM   #42
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I have not really compared sounan and blackout but I just like both of them.
Also, in what singles were mirrorball and shojo robot released?! I never heard them.
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mirrorball was performed on JCHI DVD, not released as a single (yet)
and Shoujo Robot was released by tomosaka rie, SR just composed it... and performed it on Zazen Xstasy and 6 VOLT ELEC TRIQue lives, but this is a old story
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They included Mirrorball and Shoujo because of JCHI, they werent studio recordings for TJ.

EDIT: Howevva' i'm 70% sure there's a SS era Shiina demo of Shoujo Robot. Someones gotta unearth it.
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Originally Posted by justriiingo View Post
I consider this blasphemy. Blackout doesn't deserve such a high rating. If you can praise Shuraba single ver and rip the album version such that you don't even consider it music anymore ChickShhh, I don't see why you gave Blackout such a high rating (good thing you didn't rate it above Sounan though), especially considering the fact that they sound almost the same in so many ways.

From what I can hear, Hata is essentially playing the same rhythm in both Sounan and in Blackout. (Any drummers want to confirm/deny this?) The same goes for Kameda, a lot of this bass parts in Blackout are an exact copy of Sounan. His part in the Blackout chorus is pretty cool stuff though. However, Kameda does get his chance to really play something really amazing towards the end of Sounan - a counterpoint of SR's guitar solo mixed with Hata's rhythmic elements; pity the bad recording glosses over it. Uki's solo on Blackout could sound acceptable if not for his tone, which makes my ears hurt (please stop your silly trills and start doing more vibratos, please). The structure/impulse/rhythm/arrangement of Blackout is just so similar to Sounan, it's almost like SR is trying to write another Sounan.

If Sounan is the Prada bag of all TJ tracks, then Blackout is just its sad made-in-China grade B fake. (No offence to people living in China.)

Now, Blackout fans, I would like to hear your defence.

muhuaha, what kind of defense do u expect? should i draw charts comparing chord progressions or key changes? I like Blackout because i like it, I didn't notice the similarities because i was too busy losing myself in all the shiina goodness.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Jihad View Post
70% sure there's a SS era Shiina demo of Shoujo Robot. Someones gotta unearth it.
so we have to search, but I think it won't be so different from zazen xtasy's one
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But it'll be from a Shiina that wasnt so "refined, laid-back, and mature." :cool:

EDIT: score one for me, I think that one's worth a point! =P
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should i draw charts comparing chord progressions or key changes? I like Blackout because i like it, I didn't notice the similarities because i was too busy losing myself in all the shiina goodness.
It'll be sweet if you could do that. Simply put, there is no defence. Sounan is the better song. Period. :cool:
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Originally Posted by justriiingo View Post
It'll be sweet if you could do that. Simply put, there is no defence. Sounan is the better song. Period. :cool:
Not arguing what's the better song, i like sounan a bit better myself. but that doesn't diminish the merits of Blackout.
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Originally Posted by justriiingo View Post
It'll be sweet if you could do that. Simply put, there is no defence. Sounan is the better song. Period. :cool:
Sounan is the better song but I LOVE blackout too.
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