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2016.01.05, 05:24 PM | #1631 | |||
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Also, I'm tired of the same old "the old fans are drifting away" argument, which has already been played here, numerous times. I became a Ringo fan and started lurking here in late 2005, I'm shocked some times about how little the fans have really changed. I've had my periods of greater and lesser disillusionment with SR's career, too, but I'm a silver linings person. Even at her worst, she's still a brilliant songwriter. If you don't like her music, don't buy it.
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From my perspective, the fact that Ringo's work should be considered art was cemented the day I heard KSK, and thought, my God, she wrote an opera. But somehow there is a basic assumption - and KSK is an excellent example of this - that in order to be art, the work must have a certain level of skill, personal authorship, authenticity, and ultimately, humanity. That's the essential problem I have with auto-tune/vocoder/lip-sync - it would seem to, at least in part, obviate the need for skill, blur the authorship, and draw into question the authenticity. Where does Ringo end, and the machine begin? Is she the master of the technology, or is it the master of her? I was thus quite gratified to see your post regarding her dance moves at Kouhaku. Here, it seemed, was still the same talented Ringo I had known all along - she was simply hiding in a place I could not see. I like your philosophy. But ultimately one cannot take emotional reactions out of the equation. Perhaps Ringo's greatest skill is not singing or musical composition or dancing, but simply getting people to make an emotional investment.
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2016.01.06, 04:02 AM | #1633 | |||
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Totally going off on a tangent (and likely in the most inappropriate thread for it)
BUT... WHY HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS PERFORMANCE BEFORE????
Can someone please direct me in right way towards better quality version? And give some extra info. Clearly its a SAPS show where Ringo was a guest... and to me that is just freakin' cool to know there's recordings of.
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2016.01.06, 04:49 AM | #1634 |
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It's from SOCIETY OF THE CITIZENS vol 2, which was televised. No DVD so I dunno if there's a higher quality version floating around. It was a three-way headlined show between ZAZEN BOYS, SOIL&"PIMP"SESSIONS and Tokyo Jihen.
She also did duets with Mukai Shutoku (KIMOCHI) and Koyamashuu from SCOOBIE DO (a cover of Kanashiminohate by Elephant Kashimashi) that night. Last edited by K__ : 2016.01.06 at 04:59 AM. |
2016.01.06, 04:51 AM | #1635 |
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Ah so I have seen it but have lost all recollection of it.
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2016.01.06, 05:29 AM | #1636 |
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There's a better performance of Karisome Otome DEATH JAZZ floating around which I guess comes from another televised show. SAPS are exactly the same but Ringo seems more into it. It got taken off YouTube though and I'm not sure where it's from. I'll have a look for it later.
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2016.01.06, 01:20 PM | #1637 |
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Oh my god that 3 way show sounds face meltingly good. What a combo of amazing musicians!
I do remember the better version of that performance, it used to be on youtube, but it's gone now : ( |
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I'm not going to claim to have more knowledge than you about SR's private-life activities and decisions, or her sociological knowledge, but perhaps due to my own bias I prefer to not think that SR is a scholar. If a pop artist tries to mix up her artistic output with critical theory the result will be weak on both ends. I prefer to take things for what they are when it comes to my commercial entertainment. |
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2016.01.06, 10:57 PM | #1639 |
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Somehow i feel like these discussions are not for newbies but I'll chime in :/
I don't mind the lip-sync or the vocal effect at all but maybe that's because I'm a new Ringo fan so everything is still fresh to my ear. Sure, it took me awhile to actually like NMM or Kamisama but i had no expectation. I found the single along with the rest of Tokyo Jihen discography at the same time and from those whole bunch of songs the only thing i can't get into is Discovery. I think some of guys disliked NMM or the whole new Ringo because you have a certain nostalgia-affected expectations for what you want to hear. For me personally, the kouhaku performance itself is in no way bad but then again I've only seen a bunch of Ringo lives. Actually, I'd be very disappointed if i found Ringo still doing the same thing she did 10 years ago today. All of these constant changing in her career is what got me hooked at the first place but i get it, some old fans would see these new Ringo as a let down because their attachment with the 'old' Ringo. |
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