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2011.01.13, 08:58 PM | #31 |
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2011.01.13, 09:53 PM | #32 |
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it was not, the product exists, the cm doesn't
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2011.01.14, 06:57 PM | #33 |
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"If Michael Jackson wants to work for Pepsi, why doesn't he just get himself a suit and an office in their headquarters and be done with it?"
-Tom Waits I am not going to condemn an artist based on a single advertisement, although it is certainly displeasing to me. I understand there are politics involved when your on a record label. But being the poster girl for a brand is a different story. Doing multiple advertisements in a year is a different story. Especially once you've established a strong enough status to start doing things your way. Going as far as naming the song to fit the product...I can't support that. That combined with comparatively mediocre music that doesn't even stand out as one of my favorite albums of the year and this turn towards writing crappy songs for crappier acts and bad TV shows... They have every right to do this, no doubt. But I reserve every right to condemn it as shallow and contradictory to labeling them as artists. I don't think it's unfair of me to take back good things that I've said about them. The only reason I am angry is that I'm embarrassed about using her as a representation of what I love about music with anyone I had conversations with about music for 3 or 4 years. My mistake, not hers. I did buy the albums before but what do I need to now? They work for Shiseido, not me. |
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Yes, she is no longer 'alternative' or 'quirky' or 'esoteric', she is very much a household name now etc etc. Whatever. SPORTS was still a pretty freaking awesome album, and I am excited about whatever new material she is going to put out. |
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thats what i'm going for, too
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In America, sometimes you'll discover a song/band through a commercial. Usually it's a small, independent band who made a good song who caught the right person's ear. Last month they played a Hyundai commercial where this hipster band (Pomplamoose) sang Christmas songs. Had they not run this ad into the FUCKING GROUND, and even still, I bet quite a few people were turned on to this band that most people knew nothing about before. Sometimes we'll hear a band we recognize in a commercial, but often its a song we also recognize. It would be UNHEARD of to hear a brand new U2 song in a commercial, but I doubt anyone would bat an eyelash if thy heard "Mysterious Ways" behind a sneaker commercial. The important difference is that these were songs first. They existed a while and we were familiar with the song (or in the case of a small independent band, we trust/assume this.) For a song to debut in an ad, or be included very close to it's release raises all sorts of red flags (mentioned above.) Lets say U2 put a brand new song in a Pepsi ad. Everyone's first reaction would be "Doesn't Bono have enough money??" At this point, the song doesn't even matter. It's "that U2 Pepsi song." Now you can say what you want about different cultures, but it doesn't change anyone's opinion on the matter. Shiina Ringo is Bono at this point. She's not clawing her way into view, "she's a household name." It's troubling that the same artist that mocked such actions now has made it a routine indulgence. When "Shuraba" was used, I don't think too many here raised an eyebrow at it. "Senkou Shoujo, Ariamaru Tomi".....okay I guess. But this Dopamint crap is the line. It's clear at that point you are Bono making a Pepsi ad. But whatever, money isn't ungrateful I guess.
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While I agree with most of what you say, Jihad, if "not too loud but not too subtle" and "non-threatening" were the prime characteristics for a good CM song, "Dopamint!" failed miserably. I mean, it's kinda off-putting, and definitely "out-there".
Just because the CM wasn't aired on TV doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Even if Ringo chose to advertise the products herself doesn't mean they're not advertisement. Let's not forget Ringo also covered this before she even debuted:
What does that say about her being a sell-out?
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When products are made with sincerity, I have no problem with music thrown into the mix, in fact, I feel exactly the same way as you, gekokujyo. My problem is that I don't trust most large corporations, and with good reason. Sure I might be wrong about some of them but the vast majority of them are about profit-over-quality and not profit-with-quality. I have friends who make music exclusively for commercials and I respect their job...but on the same token, while I may be impressed with some of their songs, I'm not likely to get very emotional listening to anything they write and I'm not going to pay money to listen to it. My opinion about all this just goes with me being a very anti-corporate. I suppose I'd be more forgiving of these things if I didn't see the companies involved as giant blobs that try to swallow everything they can. But that is how I see them. And also, for the record, the crappy tv show I was referring to was SMILE, not the other one which seemed kind of OK. |
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2011.01.16, 10:37 AM | #40 |
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^ Great sex is great sex, romance or not. In fact I have had to end many nice, sensible romances because the sex was just a snoozefest.
But I digress. I liked Dopamint, and didn't think it was a snoozefest. I treat it like the occasional romp in a public restroom. I wouldn't do it all the time, but it's fairly fun and thrilling every so often. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then! |
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