The Lost Thread

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Originally Posted by digdad

I think so too. According to Lostpedia he was even credited with a name, Caesar, which would be odd for just another person on the plane. I think Sayid's law enforcement escort (who also was credited with a name, Ilana, and also sits in first class just like Caesar and the rest who we know) will also flash to the island. I believe that's her in the trailer for the next episode talking with Locke on what looks like the island. The question is how are these two people related to the island? They must have some prior connections, or maybe be associated with Ben, Hawking, or even Widmore somehow.

Yeah, if my theory that only people that have been to the island flash off the plane is correct then it'll be interest if those two did get off. My guess is that they are working for Widmore, or at least Caesar is.

[frecklegirl]

If they flashed off the plane and nothing else then how did the water bottles land on the island? Was the island also not done with the water bottles? No way, it had to have crashed.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Originally Posted by frecklegirl

If they flashed off the plane and nothing else then how did the water bottles land on the island? Was the island also not done with the water bottles? No way, it had to have crashed.

If it's anything like the other flashes the water would travel with them if they were holding it. Then again, when they flashed on the boat the boat traveled with them but the plane is different in that the majority of the passengers shouldn't be flashing. The way I see it there are two reasons why they wouldn't show the crash; not enough budget or it didn't crash. I think either are just as likely, I'm just joining the "didn't crash" group. I suppose they could have flashed off the plane AND it crashed, but the plane crashed in the present and they flash to Dharma times. I suppose there are quite a few possibilities. There just seems to be no evidence of a plane crash on the island. No wreckage around them, no other passengers or screaming. Nobody is injured (despite Kate being on a hard rock).

[frecklegirl]

They weren't holding water bottles, though. They were in first-class, any water they would have had would have been in a glass, not a bottle. I didn't mention this in my first entry because I was hoping you guys would realize they were not holding water bottles >_>

Also, you are forgetting we haven't seen the whole scene yet. And Jack found himself in the jungle in the first episode of the series, yet there was a crash there too.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Originally Posted by frecklegirl

They weren't holding water bottles, though. They were in first-class, any water they would have had would have been in a glass, not a bottle. I didn't mention this in my first entry because I was hoping you guys would realize they were not holding water bottles >_>

Also, you are forgetting we haven't seen the whole scene yet. And Jack found himself in the jungle in the first episode of the series, yet there was a crash there too.

They weren't holding water bottles, but I'm not so sure they are the only ones that flashed off the plane. As I said earlier, I believe Caesar (the guy in the airport that offered Jack his condolences) is on the island now too. It's rare for somebody to get a speaking part like that unless he's going to play a bigger role, particularly when they gave him a name. He wasn't in first class. You've got to remember also that one of the canoes which contained the bottled water chased after Locke and co firing at them. I think that was probably this Caesar guy, or somebody with him. Probably working for Widmore.

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Merged.

This is literally shaping up to be the strongest season of television ever. There really hasn't been a weak episode yet and I can't think of a single show that has had such brilliant episodes in such a short period of time. Terry O'Quinn is a god. He deserved 50 Emmys.

Spoilers for Season 5 episode 7 follow.

I guess you were right Freckles that the plane did crash, but I was also right that they flashed off it before it crashed and that it was Caesar in the canoe. Interesting that Ben didn't flash off the plane; does that mean the island is officially done with him and he just happened to be on the right plane at the right time? And Locke is alive!!!

I love the grey area surrounding Ben and Widmore and who is ultimately good or evil. I now believe that they're after the exact same goal; to protect the island, Ben was just jealous of Widmore as leader and Widmore is bitter at Ben for getting tricked off the island. I really don't know who this "War" is going to be between though; surely not Ben and Widmore because Ben has no army at all. I assume the island doesn't care about him, Jacob doesn't want him and Alpert has appointed Locke as leader. We've seen no evidence of bad blood between Alpert and Widmore. They're clearly ruthless as hell and will do anything to protect the island from being lead by the other but I don't think either particularly pose a threat to the island itself.

[golem09]

Originally Posted by Inaudible-Whisper

I guess you were right Freckles that the plane did crash, but I was also right that they flashed off it before it crashed

oh, I thought I had posted that here, that was the first thing I thought off last week. Guess I just posted that in my other board.

This episode was... extremely good. So in the contect of Lost S05 it was rather good, yes
This season so totally wins, I can't believe it.

Widmokre vs Ben becomes more and more interesting. everything they say sound true, so no one has a clue what happened.
I like your theory, whisper, but there are three things that let me think otherwise:

1. Ben talking about "The rules" last season. That sounds to me like something completely different than just a strugle for the island.

2. Michael Emerson himself saying in a podcast that the island is, in his opinion just a playground for some bigger game.

3. Most important: Carlton and Damon in a podcast last year answering one of the question by telling the guy asking the question, that he will probably feel very superior watching season 5, and seeing his theories come true. And furthermore, that in season 6 they will prove him completely and utterly wrong, kicking his ass really hard. So there is a MORE THAN hard twist ahead. I think it involves the most important thing right now: The motives of anyone.

What I really liked, was that the new guy was (supposedly NOT) Dharma staff and that Ben and John are back, both alive.

BUT WHAT THE FUCK? BEN STRANGLING JOHN TO DEATH???

I just noticed that Ben's killed instinct turned on, as soon as John mentioned Eloise Hawking. Maybe Ben didn't even want to kill John. And how does John even know of Eloise?

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Yeah, there definitely has to be some bigger motive than simply protecting the island. Protecting it from what? What threat does Ben think Widmore poses and what threat does Widmore think Ben poses? Can't they all just get along Maybe theres a third party that wants to manipulate the island. Not necessarily Dharma but maybe, like Dharma, funded by The Hanso Foundation... what ever happened to them? It is so hard to know who is telling the truth though between Ben and Widmore.

I can't remember how Locke found out about Miss Hawking. I just assumed I'd forgot. As for Ben killing Locke, it did seem like he did it just after Locke mentioned Eloise. Maybe Ben had absolutely no idea how to get back to the island so he follows Locke, knowing that Alpert will have told him, finds out that they need to get the Oceanic 6 back and then when Locke gives him the final piece of the puzzle (Eloise Hawking will get us back) he has no use for Locke anymore. While Ben's overall goal may be to protect the island, he is a very jealous man seemingly taking out anybody that gets in his way for ultimate power of the island (Widmore, Locke and Jacob ("Help Me!")). Widmore can be just as ruthless (Keamys team of soldiers) but he seems more genuine when helping Locke out, and he funded Faraday's time travel research. We haven't seen an example of Widmore stabbing someone in the back yet, I don't think.

[golem09]

Nope, and he tells the truth, then he was a keeper of the island, exiled by Ben on his hunger for power. I guess we'll see what really happened in the Jin-Dharmatime.
But yeah, Ben is being pushed more and more into the role of the evil emperor. Maybe he KNEW that Lock was supposed to turn the wheel. He ALSO knew that he couldn't kill him (because he already tried), so he turned the wheel himself, and left a turmoil for Locke to fix, by leaving as well, so Ben could then kill him off the island. But I guess he didn't expect Locke would pull off a Jesus-stunt

[frecklegirl]

Did we ever learn (or am I just not remembering) what Ben's motivation was for gassing all the Others? Was it just that he was angry that his dad had to be the custodian and he was determined to get revenge?

[golem09]

I don't think it was explained yet, because all we've seen from Ben is his early childhood and then almost the same age we met him. So the only thing we do know is that his fascination for the others could be the phantom of his mother.

MAYBE...

maybe

This show will be a copy of Neon Genesis Evangelion. So all Ben wants to do is revive his mother. And he wanted Juliette fix the birth problem, because the same thing could have saved his mother. Then he wants to go back and change everyting, which is an extra complicated and long process because it's ultra hard to bypass the course correction.

Maybe Jesus is his constant.