(2009.06.24) Shiina Ringo - Sanmon Gossip [Album]

[bromithia]

HF is just as listenable for me as any of her other albums.

[Yahiko]

ryuukou
"kodamashiteiru mata kimi no koe ga kodamashiteru"
***piece extracted from "amai yamai"***

rodousha
"zurakaritai yo osaraba mendou wa"

mittei monogatari
"I'll tell you gals how to..."

0chiten kara
arashi ga satta ato no shizuke sa obieru ryoujin wa

tsugou no ii karada
owari ni yatte mairimashita shoubu no toki
*reminds me of gamble... not only the shoubu, but the title also.. "tsugou no ii kotae wa shiteiru kedooooo"

mayakashi yasaotoko
"Are you hurting? Feel like.."

togatta teguchi
"shikei hanketsu ii watashi kiita basho wo"

irokoizata
"sorahikuku kumo tazusae kigi no hada niowaseteiru"

bonsaihada
"sora yo yama yo kawa yo furusato no umi yo watashi wo"

marunouchi sadistic (expo ver.)
"Playing cops and robbers 'neath"

[Scribble R]

What's that, Yahiko?

[papilionidae]

^ from 2ch... here (#6), right?

they say it's part of lyrics.

[lazer85]

Originally Posted by kuro_neko

well...many countries use a "world music" label that allows you to search/browse by language/country/culture, which is much more useful for casual listeners who don't know the differences between styles in foreign markets....

in this case, however, I think you need to look at what this means in Japan.

The casual listener is as dumb as a brick and half as interesting. Those sections are full of generic crap and completely random finds with no real distinction and sometimes a token song that a few people that aren't brainless and a few people that are know already so people can stick something "foreign" into their fancy home or work stereo system and give "an exotic feel to the atmosphere". They leave out 90% of the variety in most countries and they usually don't even distinguish which country it is. It's just music to make people feel better about themselves.

And that word means the same thing in Japan that it means in America (because like it or not America defines Japan's view on all countries other than America and Japan), absolutely nothing.

It serves the same purpose as words like "exotic" and "aromatic"; they work in advertising. I don't think anyone who uses the word is a complete jackass but they most likely have something very specific (or a few specific things) in mind that they don't know the name for or don't really care to go into detail about. Or their saying it cause it gets people to buy stuff.


In any case, if Fuzzy D isn't "Western Influenced" than I guess I'm wrong about everything and Coldplay really did make "the greatest album of all time" like they have claimed.

[lazer85]

mittei monogatari
"I'll tell you gals how to..."

OK guys mad libs

[kuro_neko]

Originally Posted by lazer85

The casual listener is as dumb as a brick and half as interesting. Those sections are full of generic crap and completely random finds with no real distinction and sometimes a token song that a few people that aren't brainless and a few people that are know already so people can stick something "foreign" into their fancy home or work stereo system and give "an exotic feel to the atmosphere". They leave out 90% of the variety in most countries and they usually don't even distinguish which country it is. It's just music to make people feel better about themselves.

And that word means the same thing in Japan that it means in America (because like it or not America defines Japan's view on all countries other than America and Japan), absolutely nothing.

It serves the same purpose as words like "exotic" and "aromatic"; they work in advertising. I don't think anyone who uses the word is a complete jackass but they most likely have something very specific (or a few specific things) in mind that they don't know the name for or don't really care to go into detail about. Or their saying it cause it gets people to buy stuff.


In any case, if Fuzzy D isn't "Western Influenced" than I guess I'm wrong about everything and Coldplay really did make "the greatest album of all time" like they have claimed.

um, I think someone needs a valium. seriously, why are you getting so worked up about the title "world music" most people aren't exposed to non-mainstream music within their OWN country, let alone outside their cultural spheres of direct involvement.

your argument about America determining Japan's viewpoint of every other country is confusing and largely misinformed. If your going to attack everyone who listens to World Music in such a way, the arrogance of claiming America's responsibility for forming Japan's own international and cultural policies just comes off completely ridiculous and a bit hypocritical. Japan has had long and involved histories with countries before America ever existed ans as such America has had absolutely NO INVOLVEMENT whatsoever in shaping Japan's relations or notions of such cultures and people. Two prominent and important examples would be Portugal and France, both of which have had unique and long histories with Japan and as a result have special places in Japanese history, relations, and culture.

them calling Ringo's work "world music" is just emphasing her experiments with styles and instruments being originated elsewhere. Rock, like it or not, has long since been a worldwide thing, despite an origin in the US, so that needs no mention. It also panders to those people you call idiots who like to feel worldy and listen to "international music," because yes, they do exist in Japan too.

this topic is pretty much dead, so, moving on

yeah, those lyrics, seriously. I wonder if MO will start out in English and then switch to Japanese, as of right now only MNM is listed as having an english lyric advisor.

[justriiingo]

This thread has 1008 posts and the album is not even out yet.
Wow.

[lazer85]

I don't really see what's hypocritical my statements, although they may be a bit exaggerated, and I fail to see how any of those relationships are nearly as relevant to society at large when compared with mass media. And it doesn't take a genius to see that the mass media in Japan is full of unfiltered and widely accepted stereotypes and labels, most of which have been adopted from western (namely American) ideas. And well, there is some Japanese originality because most of the time whatever is taken from the west is grossly misunderstood in Japan, not because people are innately idiots but because more people than not haven't yet learned not to trust what they see on TV.
If you fail to see where I'm coming from, imagine Americans IN America calling American pop music A-pop. Then try talking to a Japanese woman about what facial features are most attractive and see who it sounds like they are describing. And talk to a non-English speaker who lives in Japan and see how people refuse to beleive they don't speak English because the Japanese idea is that all non-Japanese speak English. It's not really statistics or experience that shapes this because if you spend any time in Tokyo or look at the stats you'll quickly realize a large population of tourists and non-Japanese residents don't speak English and if they do at all it's very poor English.

Do you really think Japanese peoples idea about Portugal and France come from near ancient political and trade relationships rather than from the movies they watch and magazines they read?

I suppose Japan's view towards China and Korea was formulated without any influence from the West; it's basically just "You suck, except for your idols".

Don't think I'm accusing Japan of anything most other countries aren't guilty of though.


And back to the world music thing, I'm just trying to point out that "World Music" is an advertising word and it never means anything in particular. It has no useful purpose other than selling things. It is not a style of music or an informative catagorization of anything. People who say they listen to world music lack the words to describe what they like, just aren't music people, or they are jackasses.


Oh and I am chill honey don't you worry a bit ;-)

[lazer85]

Originally Posted by bromithia

HF is just as listenable for me as any of her other albums.

Yeah I have to agree with this. It wasn't bad music, it just wasn't new stuff really.



I'll show you gals how to build a rocket ship with no hands.