Ringo News 2015 - Page 21

FadedSun · 2015.02.28, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by zeroryouko

Music Station video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2i...sic-station_tv

Shiina Ringo's performance of "Shijou no Jinsei" is at ~18:55.

Oh, she almost had it perfect! Her voice started to give a bit at the end.

gekokujyo · 2015.02.28, 04:36 AM

I thought she sounded pretty rough. was on edge of seat the whole time haha

zeroryouko · 2015.02.28, 10:32 AM

What *is* going on with her voice lately, anyway? In the past few months she's had a number of sub-par live performances - but also some that were really good. This one wasn't awful, but she can do so much better.

The clips I've seen from Ringo Expo '14 seemed to be up to her usual standard, and last fall's performances on CDTV and Live Monster were good to great. It seemed like a lot of the less-good ones were on Music Station - the infamous Super Live incident (although I think she was pretty clearly sick in that case), Arikitari na Onna, and this one for example.

Maybe she has trouble without the live band, or maybe they process the vocals more on some of the other shows? Although to me it doesn't really sound like her live performances ever undergo much alteration.

FadedSun · 2015.02.28, 10:37 AM

Aside from the end I didn't think her vocals were that bad, honestly.

She seems to be using a bit of a different style for this song than usual. Maybe it's difficult to sing? Who knows. We're not the ones up there singing, so it's hard to tell what she's experiencing as she's singing.

zeroryouko · 2015.02.28, 10:58 AM

I think her performance was good up through the first chorus, but after that she seemed to struggle a bit.

It's really hard to tell with her sometimes, though. She walks a pretty fine line vocally most of the time - that's just her style - and most of the time she does it very well. Intentionally over-stressing her voice is also IMHO a crucial part of her technique and she frequently uses it as part of the "big finish" (Tsugou no Ii Karada being IMHO a prime example).

I think that's where she was going with Shijou no Jinsei, but for whatever reason it just didn't quite click.

deadgrandma · 2015.02.28, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by zeroryouko

The clips I've seen from Ringo Expo '14 seemed to be up to her usual standard

Probably studio tweaked

zeroryouko · 2015.02.28, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by deadgrandma

Probably studio tweaked

Maybe, but if it is tweaked, they could have done a better job of it...

Generally she doesn't sound to me like she gets any "outside help" most of the time. Even the studio albums for the most part seem a bit raw to me, if I really concentrate on only her voice and not the instruments or other effects. I sometimes will isolate individual phrases or even notes and play them on a loop to try to discern what she is really doing, and except in cases where she is doing some processing for artistic effect I have never really been able to find an occurrence of something that doesn't just sound like a "good take".

zeroryouko · 2015.02.28, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by mrnarse

As the tweet where this came from says, it's the true "Koko de KISS Shite".

Thinking a bit more about this, I guess what's really bugging me about this photo is that I've always thought of Shiina Ringo as strong and independent and unbelievably talented, and worthy of the utmost respect. That respect seems to be missing here...

Inseu · 2015.02.28, 08:59 PM

I dunno, KISS look incredibly sissy with their painted lips and high heels.

FadedSun · 2015.02.28, 09:29 PM

Why does she all the sudden lose her independence, strength and talent because she took a picture with KISS?

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2015.02.28, 04:36 AM	#202
gekokujyo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 683	I thought she sounded pretty rough. was on edge of seat the whole time haha

2015.02.28, 10:32 AM	#203
zeroryouko Ringophile Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: La La Land Posts: 629	What is going on with her voice lately, anyway? In the past few months she's had a number of sub-par live performances - but also some that were really good. This one wasn't awful, but she can do so much better. The clips I've seen from Ringo Expo '14 seemed to be up to her usual standard, and last fall's performances on CDTV and Live Monster were good to great. It seemed like a lot of the less-good ones were on Music Station - the infamous Super Live incident (although I think she was pretty clearly sick in that case), Arikitari na Onna, and this one for example. Maybe she has trouble without the live band, or maybe they process the vocals more on some of the other shows? Although to me it doesn't really sound like her live performances ever undergo much alteration.

2015.02.28, 10:37 AM	#204
FadedSun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Boston Posts: 703	Aside from the end I didn't think her vocals were that bad, honestly. She seems to be using a bit of a different style for this song than usual. Maybe it's difficult to sing? Who knows. We're not the ones up there singing, so it's hard to tell what she's experiencing as she's singing.

2015.02.28, 10:58 AM	#205
zeroryouko Ringophile Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: La La Land Posts: 629	I think her performance was good up through the first chorus, but after that she seemed to struggle a bit. It's really hard to tell with her sometimes, though. She walks a pretty fine line vocally most of the time - that's just her style - and most of the time she does it very well. Intentionally over-stressing her voice is also IMHO a crucial part of her technique and she frequently uses it as part of the "big finish" (Tsugou no Ii Karada being IMHO a prime example). I think that's where she was going with Shijou no Jinsei, but for whatever reason it just didn't quite click.

2015.02.28, 08:59 PM	#209
Inseu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,707	I dunno, KISS look incredibly sissy with their painted lips and high heels.

2015.02.28, 09:29 PM	#210
FadedSun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Boston Posts: 703	Why does she all the sudden lose her independence, strength and talent because she took a picture with KISS?